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On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Well. What's with this discussion? Has no one here ever thrown a kunai? You throw them straight, like a dagger. You don't spin kunais wtf... (well the ones you throw arent actually kunais but similiar enough)
Shurikens you on the other hand use the wrist to give it a spin, but they still wouldn't float. Also that technique can be used for anything, you can use a credit card to deal damage if you throw it like a shuriken.
Oh below post is good
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On December 30 2011 18:19 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 18:17 r.Evo wrote:
Triforce Rammus so good. Free wins everytime he's not banned. =D
On another note, since I almost missed todays date myself: Feel free to check the youtube mainpage (make sure you have set the region to worldwide on the bottom of the page if you're from EU) and look at how TL won the internet once again. ^.^ I'm not alone, *sniff*
It's awesome if you get slightly fat. Which should happen a lot. I know Teutonica used to run PD Rammus to carry TL premades all day, dno if Triforce is better or worse for the same cause. But it's hella cool either way. =D
On December 31 2011 03:05 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 02:29 Parnage wrote:On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin. Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them. So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you. That is what I was disputing if you want to test it. Fill a water bottle about to 1/10th. Then throw it in the air and watch what happens. even if you try to spin it, it will try to right itself. The same works for something as unbalanced as a Kunai. (Yes I know they are not supposed to be thrown). So not arguing that a kunai shouldn't be thrown but the shape, balance and weight of kunai would make it like a dart, and you don't spin a dart.
STOP NOT INVITING ME TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
hi!
From someone who has practiced throwing things like that before:
-Yes, it's stupid to throw a Kunai. Your standard shuriken / bo-shuriken is just way better for that purpose.
-However, IF you throw it, you throw it like any bo-shuriken. Meaning you can either throw it in a way that it will spin or in a way that it will not spin. Both techniques are, in theory, just originating from different schools. In praxis however the difference is mostly that you get a lot more force behind it if you make it spin (but risk hitting with the wrong end if you didn't practice a certain distance for long enough) and a tad more precision if you don't make it spin. Without spin it's just incredibly hard to get some impact behind that thing and it all comes, as most thrown weapons, down to "a random thing you throw at someone to distract him for a split-second" - if it injures at the same time that's cool but not intended.
tl;dr: Please fix that unrealisticly high damage ratio on kennens shurikens. thx!
Edit: FUCK YES DUMPING OVER SHIKYO AGAIN AFTER ALL THIS TIME. (<3 bro)
On December 31 2011 03:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work. Well. What's with this discussion? Has no one here ever thrown a kunai? You throw them straight, like a dagger. You don't spin kunais wtf... (well the ones you throw arent actually kunais but similiar enough) Shurikens you on the other hand use the wrist to give it a spin, but they still wouldn't float. Also that technique can be used for anything, you can use a credit card to deal damage if you throw it like a shuriken.
Wrong. Daggers/Knives can both be thrown with or without spin. Just like you can throw a shuriken from the wrist (small impact, quick) or from the body with basicly the same movement as you'd throw a punch* (higher impact, more precision, slower). Technicly you can throw a damn egg with or without spin and it would still hit pretty damn well if the person learned to throw a shuriken originally.
*technicly a so called "Sto". Only way I can think of explaining the movement via interwebs is starting with your right hand on your left hip and making an inverted hitler salute (stop laughing). Like with the palm of your hand showing up instead of down. That's also the movement you'll most likely learn first for throwing anything bo-shuriken related straight and without spinning.
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On December 31 2011 02:59 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 02:56 Parnage wrote:
You go Deathcap first on Kennen when you can get away with it. (ie you are most likely mid and the only ap and so you need the damage)
You go Scepter first on Kennen when you need to survive and kite(most likely playing top lane and or not the only ap dmg dealer on team)
I am not generally a Kennen player but I thought this was the general rule of thumb. Always rush wota. Its stupid not to. After that dcap is generally the best choice, although if you are shitting on the enemy team and want to tower dive a zhonyas isnt a terrible choice.
I'am sorry I messed up thar, I was supposed to say 2nd item not first, yes Will of the Ancients is -the- first item for Mr. Kennen.
Looks like Evo just settled this kunai problem, huzzah.
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On December 30 2011 18:15 KillerSOS wrote:Because he gets banned every game? <_<
yep
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Does anyone else ever find themselves just basically flailing in teamfights? The sensation is akin to the one where in a guitar hero-esque game you lose the rhythm on a complex part and just spaz out in a desperate attempt not to fail out. Only happens to me now with champions I'm new to, but it's still dumb as hell.
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On December 31 2011 03:26 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 18:19 Iplaythings wrote:On December 30 2011 18:17 r.Evo wrote:
Triforce Rammus so good. Free wins everytime he's not banned. =D
On another note, since I almost missed todays date myself: Feel free to check the youtube mainpage (make sure you have set the region to worldwide on the bottom of the page if you're from EU) and look at how TL won the internet once again. ^.^ I'm not alone, *sniff* It's awesome if you get slightly fat. Which should happen a lot. I know Teutonica used to run PD Rammus to carry TL premades all day, dno if Triforce is better or worse for the same cause. But it's hella cool either way. =D Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 03:05 Hynda wrote:On December 31 2011 02:29 Parnage wrote:On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin. Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them. So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you. That is what I was disputing if you want to test it. Fill a water bottle about to 1/10th. Then throw it in the air and watch what happens. even if you try to spin it, it will try to right itself. The same works for something as unbalanced as a Kunai. (Yes I know they are not supposed to be thrown). So not arguing that a kunai shouldn't be thrown but the shape, balance and weight of kunai would make it like a dart, and you don't spin a dart. STOP NOT INVITING ME TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS. hi! From someone who has practiced throwing things like that before: -Yes, it's stupid to throw a Kunai. Your standard shuriken / bo-shuriken is just way better for that purpose. -However, IF you throw it, you throw it like any bo-shuriken. Meaning you can either throw it in a way that it will spin or in a way that it will not spin. Both techniques are, in theory, just originating from different schools. In praxis however the difference is mostly that you get a lot more force behind it if you make it spin (but risk hitting with the wrong end if you didn't practice a certain distance for long enough) and a tad more precision if you don't make it spin. Without spin it's just incredibly hard to get some impact behind that thing and it all comes, as most thrown weapons, down to "a random thing you throw at someone to distract him for a split-second" - if it injures at the same time that's cool but not intended. tl;dr: Please fix that unrealisticly high damage ratio on kennens shurikens. thx! Edit: FUCK YES DUMPING OVER SHIKYO AGAIN AFTER ALL THIS TIME. (<3 bro) Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 03:24 Shikyo wrote:On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work. Well. What's with this discussion? Has no one here ever thrown a kunai? You throw them straight, like a dagger. You don't spin kunais wtf... (well the ones you throw arent actually kunais but similiar enough) Shurikens you on the other hand use the wrist to give it a spin, but they still wouldn't float. Also that technique can be used for anything, you can use a credit card to deal damage if you throw it like a shuriken. Wrong. Daggers/Knives can both be thrown with or without spin. Just like you can throw a shuriken from the wrist (small impact, quick) or from the body with basicly the same movement as you'd throw a punch* (higher impact, more precision, slower). Technicly you can throw a damn egg with or without spin and it would still hit pretty damn well if the person learned to throw a shuriken originally. *technicly a so called "Sto". Only way I can think of explaining the movement via interwebs is starting with your right hand on your left hip and making an inverted hitler salute (stop laughing). Like with the palm of your hand showing up instead of down. That's also the movement you'll most likely learn first for throwing anything bo-shuriken related straight and without spinning. I have aswell yay me. If you spin a kunai and yes I fucking know you're not supposed to throw them. If you spin them you're basicly just chucking a rock it will never ever be anything than a lump. It's not very sexy, if you throw them straight and is about half a meter away and throw really fucking hard you might cut something if you throw it straight. But it looks alot sexier. And that was my point from the start, it looks utterly retarded. It's the worst object in game and it rapes your eyes, hence don't buy that skin.
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On December 31 2011 03:45 Iskusstvo wrote:
Does anyone else ever find themselves just basically flailing in teamfights? The sensation is akin to the one where in a guitar hero-esque game you lose the rhythm on a complex part and just spaz out in a desperate attempt not to fail out. Only happens to me now with champions I'm new to, but it's still dumb as hell.
Have a plan for what to do before the fight starts.
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So I saw a few guides for Viktor saying to rush DFG as a core item. This seems... bad? I don't see this working that well, for some reason.
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On December 31 2011 03:55 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 03:26 r.Evo wrote:On December 30 2011 18:19 Iplaythings wrote:On December 30 2011 18:17 r.Evo wrote:
Triforce Rammus so good. Free wins everytime he's not banned. =D
On another note, since I almost missed todays date myself: Feel free to check the youtube mainpage (make sure you have set the region to worldwide on the bottom of the page if you're from EU) and look at how TL won the internet once again. ^.^ I'm not alone, *sniff* It's awesome if you get slightly fat. Which should happen a lot. I know Teutonica used to run PD Rammus to carry TL premades all day, dno if Triforce is better or worse for the same cause. But it's hella cool either way. =D On December 31 2011 03:05 Hynda wrote:On December 31 2011 02:29 Parnage wrote:On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin. Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them. So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you. That is what I was disputing if you want to test it. Fill a water bottle about to 1/10th. Then throw it in the air and watch what happens. even if you try to spin it, it will try to right itself. The same works for something as unbalanced as a Kunai. (Yes I know they are not supposed to be thrown). So not arguing that a kunai shouldn't be thrown but the shape, balance and weight of kunai would make it like a dart, and you don't spin a dart. STOP NOT INVITING ME TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS. hi! From someone who has practiced throwing things like that before: -Yes, it's stupid to throw a Kunai. Your standard shuriken / bo-shuriken is just way better for that purpose. -However, IF you throw it, you throw it like any bo-shuriken. Meaning you can either throw it in a way that it will spin or in a way that it will not spin. Both techniques are, in theory, just originating from different schools. In praxis however the difference is mostly that you get a lot more force behind it if you make it spin (but risk hitting with the wrong end if you didn't practice a certain distance for long enough) and a tad more precision if you don't make it spin. Without spin it's just incredibly hard to get some impact behind that thing and it all comes, as most thrown weapons, down to "a random thing you throw at someone to distract him for a split-second" - if it injures at the same time that's cool but not intended. tl;dr: Please fix that unrealisticly high damage ratio on kennens shurikens. thx! Edit: FUCK YES DUMPING OVER SHIKYO AGAIN AFTER ALL THIS TIME. (<3 bro) On December 31 2011 03:24 Shikyo wrote:On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work. Well. What's with this discussion? Has no one here ever thrown a kunai? You throw them straight, like a dagger. You don't spin kunais wtf... (well the ones you throw arent actually kunais but similiar enough) Shurikens you on the other hand use the wrist to give it a spin, but they still wouldn't float. Also that technique can be used for anything, you can use a credit card to deal damage if you throw it like a shuriken. Wrong. Daggers/Knives can both be thrown with or without spin. Just like you can throw a shuriken from the wrist (small impact, quick) or from the body with basicly the same movement as you'd throw a punch* (higher impact, more precision, slower). Technicly you can throw a damn egg with or without spin and it would still hit pretty damn well if the person learned to throw a shuriken originally. *technicly a so called "Sto". Only way I can think of explaining the movement via interwebs is starting with your right hand on your left hip and making an inverted hitler salute (stop laughing). Like with the palm of your hand showing up instead of down. That's also the movement you'll most likely learn first for throwing anything bo-shuriken related straight and without spinning. I have aswell yay me. If you spin a kunai and yes I fucking know you're not supposed to throw them. If you spin them you're basicly just chucking a rock it will never ever be anything than a lump. It's not very sexy, if you throw them straight and is about half a meter away and throw really fucking hard you might cut something if you throw it straight. But it looks alot sexier. And that was my point from the start, it looks utterly retarded. It's the worst object in game and it rapes your eyes, hence don't buy that skin.
Yeah, it kinda boils down to "If you could throw it move a step closer and stab the guy instead" =D
Also I still didn't check how it looks like on that skin. Need to carry myself back out of fever-sick-christmas slump. OoV
On December 31 2011 04:00 Requizen wrote:
So I saw a few guides for Viktor saying to rush DFG as a core item. This seems... bad? I don't see this working that well, for some reason.
You mean day2 "guides" on "mobafire"? =P
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On solomid actually, but yeah, the ones that come out this early... damn.
I honestly can't convince myself that DFG is even worth it on him over DC or WotA or RoA though.
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Now are we talking side spin or top spin. I was under the impression you threw a dagger with topspin and a shyriken with sidespin. Which is it for a kunai, and what is kennen using?
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Should definitely get Rylai's on Viktor. It's broken as fuck with his kit.
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DFG Morde es da best.
All of sudden a lot of MF players in my games, I thought I used to be the only one who plays her lol.
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On December 31 2011 04:00 Requizen wrote:
So I saw a few guides for Viktor saying to rush DFG as a core item. This seems... bad? I don't see this working that well, for some reason.
Well...
Why?
He likes CDR, he likes mana regen, he likes AP, and he's really bursty with his combo. It doesn't seem like that bad of an idea to me?
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On December 31 2011 04:11 Craton wrote:
Should definitely get Rylai's on Viktor. It's broken as fuck with his kit.
Well the issue that I've been having with him (and the one I called when he was announced) is his passive item taking up a slot. Items that are good on him: RoA, WotA, Rylai's, DC, Void Staff. Core tanky dps caster items. But with boots and Hexcore, now you have to choose which one to not use.
My thought, though, is getting WotA and Rylai's, forgoing RoA for upgrading his core, where you can get Mana or Health (or AP, but I think Death is currently the worst augment).
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On December 31 2011 04:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 04:00 Requizen wrote:
So I saw a few guides for Viktor saying to rush DFG as a core item. This seems... bad? I don't see this working that well, for some reason. Well... Why? He likes CDR, he likes mana regen, he likes AP, and he's really bursty with his combo. It doesn't seem like that bad of an idea to me?
It's not that it's a bad item, it's just that it's not as good as the other items you can use as your core. It's not giving as much damage as DC, you can make up the mana regen with gravity or just getting RoA for more mana, and CDR can be gotten from Gravity and Blue. The active is great, but with the damage he already has, it doesn't seem like it's a core item.
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Best build on Viktor: AA, WotA, Banshee, Frozen Heart. Augment Power.
Wish he had a 5th slot so you could get a Rylais as well, would make the build perfect. Really annoying how they ruin the character with that. I really think it's going to make him UP in the end.
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Hrm, while AA is a nice idea, committing 2 slots to defensive items? He's tanky dps, not straight tank, you know? Yeah, getting damage from AA with the mana, but if you're going that route, shouldn't you get Gravity?
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Im guessing the real reason vics item takes up a slot is that they couldnt figgure out a way to code it as a passive yet still work in the shop, or a way to sell it while keeping the passive bonus.
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On December 31 2011 04:33 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im guessing the real reason vics item takes up a slot is that they couldnt figgure out a way to code it as a passive yet still work in the shop, or a way to sell it while keeping the passive bonus.
I doubt that was the reason, shouldn't be hard to make a perma elixir for viktor only.
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