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[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 3

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Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
December 29 2011 20:04 GMT
#41
What are your guys opinions on Talon? I don't really see too much discussion about him ever, and he's definitely one of my more favorite champions to play. I play him top or mid, whichever one I can get.

I've got flat AD reds and quints, flat armor yellows, and mr/lvl blues. I run 23/0/7, making sure to grab mana masteries in utility. Typically I got dbaldesx2, boots, bruta, bt and then whatever from there. Any improvements?
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 29 2011 20:04 GMT
#42
On December 30 2011 04:19 luckybeni2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 03:57 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 30 2011 03:53 luckybeni2 wrote:
I hope they fix shaco soon. He is just so broken its incredible they havent changed something about him as soon as the new jungle came...

Broken as in OP or bugged? He's not OP just really god at stomping bads. His early ganks are really strong but he needs the early ganks to succeed or hes just completely worthless. If he's a pain to deal with in solo q just ban him. That's what I do.
On December 30 2011 03:55 Shifft wrote:
On December 30 2011 03:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
So I have 10k+ IP ATM due to dodge rune refunds. Only champs I don't own ATM are MF and viktor. Who should I buy/is more fun/op or should I get rune pages or just save it for later?


Get 2k more IP and buy both >.>

I'm lazy

He is op broken like crazy. He might be strongest early but hes so strong there that all lanes will be at a very big disadvantage. Saying you can always ban them is a bad argument since you should not have to ban a champ because hes so op noone wants to play against him. If you say everyone except the 2000 elo people are bad then you have to really reevaluate your definition (and even there they ban him).

How to play against shaco:

1. Play safe for the first couple of minutes.

If no one dies to his lvl 2 gank then your team is pretty OKAY. His subsequent ganks aren't as scary if he doesn't get fed.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 29 2011 20:07 GMT
#43
I run mpen reds, mp5/level yellows, ap/level blues and ap quints (helped me farm+harass with Morgana before her spell costs buffs), and I still managed to run him oom very quickly, so I guessed other-than-mp5 yellows would have problems too. I'd like to try boots+3 top as if people don't expect it, or run champs wanting a dblade, you've got more moblity to poke with Q (I'd need to try how it goes against stuff like spear throw or parrrley tho, I don't think he can outpoke that w/o E).
Rushing catalyst and poking with E may be another path, I've never been too sold on it but I'm doing the sapphire +2 pots on Swain and manage it somewhat well, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 29 2011 20:09 GMT
#44
Viktor has gigantic mana problems yes, even rushing 3 doran rings with full mp5 page makes him always be OOM >_>
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#45
On December 30 2011 04:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 03:28 Alaric wrote:
Regarding Viktor:

I theorycrafting really good kiting with rylai, but after I tried to rush it it doesn't really seem good. More a 2nd/3rd big item for him.
He needs mana regen badly: his numbers are amongst the weakest for AP casters, in mana pool and mp5. This actually makes Augment:Gravity more interesting than it seems, combined with the fact that his W is quite tricky to land for chasing purposes because of its lack of range. The augment makes it a lot better in that sense.
Augmentower gives him even more chasing power, along with some tankyness... but I'm sold to cdr and I'll probably start RoA unless something better is found, if only for the early catalyst.

And as theorycrafted, the speed at which he gets oom and his inability to trade with bursty mages (he can poke with E, but that's a poke, not a trade) really make me think his kit fares far better against melee -> send that dude solotop, he still makes me think of Swain or Ryze, with less sustained damage and more mana problems.

I like the fact that his ult automatically follows the first target too. I didn't know it until I read that post, and trying to land everything while kiting in teamfights was pretty micro intensive.


I would think his range on his E, and the fact taht the power transfer gives more shield based on damage dealt, that It would probably be best to start with Doran stack (2-3) into Rabadons Death Cap. Shouldn't need morellos or any CDR if you're running cdr/blues, and get blue from jungler. And with supposedly really bad manapool, running mp5 yellows should be a good choice. Of course this is all theory crafting...

CDR runes are incredibly underwhelming on the vast majority of APs.
currently rooting for myself.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 29 2011 20:29 GMT
#46
So are there any Augments that seem "overpowered", or stronger than others? To me the E one seems really powerful as a 99 AP item is pretty strong in the endgame as well and the E being an AoE with damage of 325 + 0.91 is pretty crazy, too.

Another strong one would be W, and that'd be more of the utility route. Should help a bit with the mana problems but I think you really need to dedicate an item to mana with him anyway. So to me the Q augment seems the least powerful.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
December 29 2011 20:31 GMT
#47
does oddone not realize we can see him changing shirts through the mirror lol
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 29 2011 20:36 GMT
#48
Huh it appears Viktor's ult is controllable by other viktor's. So two vik's ult, and they can both control the others clouds. Thats somehow very amusing to me though I am sure that is not supposed to happen.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 29 2011 20:45 GMT
#49
RoA seems a good first item because of his mana problems. His full combo burst is pretty good and easy to land with is W. Been getting Gravity upgrade for the Mp5, CDR, and range. Death is cool, but the utility you get from Gravity is astounding, imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 29 2011 20:58 GMT
#50
On December 30 2011 04:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 03:28 Alaric wrote:
Regarding Viktor:

I theorycrafting really good kiting with rylai, but after I tried to rush it it doesn't really seem good. More a 2nd/3rd big item for him.
He needs mana regen badly: his numbers are amongst the weakest for AP casters, in mana pool and mp5. This actually makes Augment:Gravity more interesting than it seems, combined with the fact that his W is quite tricky to land for chasing purposes because of its lack of range. The augment makes it a lot better in that sense.
Augmentower gives him even more chasing power, along with some tankyness... but I'm sold to cdr and I'll probably start RoA unless something better is found, if only for the early catalyst.

And as theorycrafted, the speed at which he gets oom and his inability to trade with bursty mages (he can poke with E, but that's a poke, not a trade) really make me think his kit fares far better against melee -> send that dude solotop, he still makes me think of Swain or Ryze, with less sustained damage and more mana problems.

I like the fact that his ult automatically follows the first target too. I didn't know it until I read that post, and trying to land everything while kiting in teamfights was pretty micro intensive.


I would think his range on his E, and the fact taht the power transfer gives more shield based on damage dealt, that It would probably be best to start with Doran stack (2-3) into Rabadons Death Cap. Shouldn't need morellos or any CDR if you're running cdr/blues, and get blue from jungler. And with supposedly really bad manapool, running mp5 yellows should be a good choice. Of course this is all theory crafting...

not rly theorycrafting if you didn't take note of the shit numbers on those runes
of course their concept sounds nice tho
:)
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 29 2011 20:59 GMT
#51
I think my biggest gripe with Viktor is that the shield he is supposed to abuse from his Q takes so long to go up that its really only good against melee champions. If the shield went up on hit or on cast he could trade better with other mages
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 29 2011 21:03 GMT
#52
Apparently the cdr on augment:gravity is bugged, I played against a Viktor who took the wrong masteries, granting him more cdr than usual, and who rushed the augment (he said he wanted to try a spammy build), but he didn't seem to receive any additional cdr.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 21:06:39
December 29 2011 21:06 GMT
#53
On December 30 2011 05:36 Parnage wrote:
Huh it appears Viktor's ult is controllable by other viktor's. So two vik's ult, and they can both control the others clouds. Thats somehow very amusing to me though I am sure that is not supposed to happen.

wow that's hilarious. can't be intentional right?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 29 2011 21:07 GMT
#54
If it's intentional I'll eat my headset.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 29 2011 21:17 GMT
#55
On December 30 2011 06:03 Alaric wrote:
Apparently the cdr on augment:gravity is bugged, I played against a Viktor who took the wrong masteries, granting him more cdr than usual, and who rushed the augment (he said he wanted to try a spammy build), but he didn't seem to receive any additional cdr.

Uh yes you do
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Omer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Israel442 Posts
December 29 2011 21:30 GMT
#56
anyone wanna duo q ranked? i play support and need a good ad carry im around 1200 im splinks ingame
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 29 2011 21:41 GMT
#57
On December 30 2011 06:03 Alaric wrote:
Apparently the cdr on augment:gravity is bugged, I played against a Viktor who took the wrong masteries, granting him more cdr than usual, and who rushed the augment (he said he wanted to try a spammy build), but he didn't seem to receive any additional cdr.

First keep in mind that there's a hard cap on cdr at 40%. Maybe he reached it and don't know there's a cap. Second, the UI and champ info screen sometimes takes a while to update the stats even tho the stat changes will have gone into effect.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 29 2011 22:24 GMT
#58
On December 30 2011 06:30 Omer wrote:
anyone wanna duo q ranked? i play support and need a good ad carry im around 1200 im splinks ingame

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288946
There's a thread for that, even though it appears to be dead. Can always try the ingame chat room.
:)
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
December 29 2011 22:29 GMT
#59
On December 30 2011 07:24 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 06:30 Omer wrote:
anyone wanna duo q ranked? i play support and need a good ad carry im around 1200 im splinks ingame

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288946
There's a thread for that, even though it appears to be dead. Can always try the ingame chat room.

It's not dead ! I just couldn't update it during my finals and then I went to see my family... I update it NAO ! NAO !
The legend of Darien lives on
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 29 2011 22:31 GMT
#60
Testing my stream, someone tell me how it looks and what not please :D

http://www.own3d.tv/Cixah
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