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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 15 2012 18:36 GMT
#4361
On January 16 2012 03:31 Zhiroo wrote:
So I'm about to buy my first ever 6300 champion. I love to jungle so I'm leaning towards Lee Sin. I would get Skarner but I find his voice very annoying, same goes for Riven. How fun is Lee Sin to play and how fast does he clear jungle? (Is he on the level of Udyr for fast clearing and fun?)

He's one of the best junglers right now. you really can't go wrong with LEEE SIN, DA BLIND MONK.
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 15 2012 18:38 GMT
#4362
There's nothign quite like hte feeling of rofl stomping as an AP roaming shaco. It's simply too fun.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 18:40:03
January 15 2012 18:39 GMT
#4363
Lee Sin also has a ridiculously high skill ceiling if you like to do goofy things that wrap up to work out in the end.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
January 15 2012 18:43 GMT
#4364
On January 16 2012 02:41 Misder wrote:
Ok, so my friend and I want to start using voice chat to play LoL. I played with TL on TS3. 1) Can we just use that? 2) How do you set up your own server? 3) Is there a easier to use voice chat software?

I always use the TL ts3 server. You can create a passworded channel there, a lot easier than setiing up a personal server.
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 15 2012 18:51 GMT
#4365
On January 15 2012 21:21 RogerX wrote:
LOL, Jinro plays LoL now? Bosssss. Tyler vs Jinro goggogo

pretty sure i'd own him even though i havent played since xerath patch :D not gonna re-install though!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 15 2012 18:52 GMT
#4366
On January 16 2012 03:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 21:21 RogerX wrote:
LOL, Jinro plays LoL now? Bosssss. Tyler vs Jinro goggogo

pretty sure i'd own him even though i havent played since xerath patch :D not gonna re-install though!

I was wondering where you went...

Also, Free Win is the rich man's shaco. Get red, gank a lane, get a kill, then go gank another lane and get another kill, win the game.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 15 2012 19:01 GMT
#4367
On January 16 2012 03:31 Zhiroo wrote:
So I'm about to buy my first ever 6300 champion. I love to jungle so I'm leaning towards Lee Sin. I would get Skarner but I find his voice very annoying, same goes for Riven. How fun is Lee Sin to play and how fast does he clear jungle? (Is he on the level of Udyr for fast clearing and fun?)


Even if he don't clean as fast, he's definitly one of the three beter jungler in the game right now.
He's more of a ganker or invader tho.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 15 2012 19:01 GMT
#4368
ok, i need to not be the worlds worst solo top.

first step: how do i deal with enemy junglers at the start especially?
i always feel like i cant do anything because the second i do, some jungler pops up and kills me. Often they actually do that, too.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 15 2012 19:04 GMT
#4369
Tyler is gonna be the first to win MLG for Sc2 and LoL, beware!
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 15 2012 19:12 GMT
#4370
On January 16 2012 04:01 LaNague wrote:
ok, i need to not be the worlds worst solo top.

first step: how do i deal with enemy junglers at the start especially?
i always feel like i cant do anything because the second i do, some jungler pops up and kills me. Often they actually do that, too.


Try to determine what he's going to do according on where he starts, and which jungler it is too (Maokai can gank at 2, or even 3, but he's more efficient if he waits until 4 for that, while Shaco's better off ganking early if he starts at red). If you don't plan on backing early and it's an aggressive jungler, you can ask your support to ward top for you before the minions reach his lane. Also, CV. People really underestimate it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
January 15 2012 19:14 GMT
#4371
Don't go melee the ranged minions if their jungler can gank you at level 2, ward on your first back then do whatever you want.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 15 2012 19:15 GMT
#4372
On January 16 2012 00:36 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:34 Chrispy wrote:
Does anybody else find they play a lot better without music playing?

I love playing with music but I find my concentration level is just waaaay lower with music on.



depends what kind of music. I tend to play pretty well with jiji music or ambient but if i try to listen to stuff with lyrics it just gets annoying


I once tried playing starcraft with metallica blaring in my ears.

It didn't go well :/
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 15 2012 19:15 GMT
#4373
On January 16 2012 04:01 LaNague wrote:
ok, i need to not be the worlds worst solo top.

first step: how do i deal with enemy junglers at the start especially?
i always feel like i cant do anything because the second i do, some jungler pops up and kills me. Often they actually do that, too.


Learn jungle routes and figure out where they're starting. For example, if you're vs a lee sin, you know he's going to start double golem, so if you're blue side where purple side's golems are at the top of the map, you need to play more passive for the first few minutes because he's going to try a lvl 2 gank on you right after golems.
Basically, you need to try to keep tabs on where the jungler is. CV helps. Paying attention to the mini-map helps. Knowing jungle routes helps. Playing passive until you can back for a ward helps.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
January 15 2012 19:16 GMT
#4374
I play mainly jungler and top and I feel its pretty much needed to know how to play junglers, in all roles really. At least know the limits of each one so you can know approximately potentially fast he can clear, and how much damage he will do, when he usually ganks, etc. Once you get that down, its just a matter of taking precautions. For example, most champions that start blue/wolves will be done first jungle clear by ~4 minute mark, so if they did not gank yet, chances are they are either recalling or getting ready to gank top. If you are top, just tone down aggression and play safe for a bit at that time.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
January 15 2012 19:30 GMT
#4375
On January 16 2012 04:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:36 Brees wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:34 Chrispy wrote:
Does anybody else find they play a lot better without music playing?

I love playing with music but I find my concentration level is just waaaay lower with music on.



depends what kind of music. I tend to play pretty well with jiji music or ambient but if i try to listen to stuff with lyrics it just gets annoying


I once tried playing starcraft with metallica blaring in my ears.

It didn't go well :/


I find (touhou) Techno/Trance works best for me!
But won't playing metallica be more fitting with them screaming about killing the enemy and stuff like that?
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 19:44:41
January 15 2012 19:40 GMT
#4376
On January 16 2012 04:30 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 04:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:36 Brees wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:34 Chrispy wrote:
Does anybody else find they play a lot better without music playing?

I love playing with music but I find my concentration level is just waaaay lower with music on.



depends what kind of music. I tend to play pretty well with jiji music or ambient but if i try to listen to stuff with lyrics it just gets annoying


I once tried playing starcraft with metallica blaring in my ears.

It didn't go well :/


I find (touhou) Techno/Trance works best for me!
But won't playing metallica be more fitting with them screaming about killing the enemy and stuff like that?


except you keep forgetting to make overlords and stuff like that
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 15 2012 19:41 GMT
#4377
Just had the weirdest win ever (which I won't share since I raged).

I have Rammus jungle.
Rumble afk until the 4 minutes mark. Goes top lvl1 VS lvl4 Cho, who I tried to occupy a little.
Bottom gets double killed by Blitz/Graves as Sivir/Soraka.
Sivir announces she'll go afk since Rumble has been afk until her death and the game is therefore lost.
I gank bott, sivir afk in bush and /dance while I get her 2 opponents at sub 100hp.
I back (and begin the raging)

Long story short, it went something like 4-12 at the 20 minutes mark, with each lane outcsed, 3 towers and 2 drakes for the opponents. They had a fed Kennen and Graves, and a Jarman, so really strong teamfight potential. First teamfight : we kill all of them except Kennen :o
So we're kind of «wuuuuuuuuuut» since we really weren't in the mood anymore (3 3/2 surrender votes), Graves afks, we proceed to rush the Nash, he comes back, we ace them. We take an inhib, ace them again, take an inhib, ace them again. 24-12 win oO

This was really funny and learned me that even if certain players are absolutely terrible in lane, they can be very good teamfighters. Our Cassio was a very good example, she was very patient with her ult and always got 3-4 into it, which was followed by my ult and Rumble's ult. The Sivir who whined in German for 10 minutes while /taunt in hooks was actually a very good kiter. Our Soraka had very good reflexes for silences on Kennen and heals on me/the carries.

1400 elo is just so weird @_@
The legend of Darien lives on
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
January 15 2012 19:48 GMT
#4378
On January 16 2012 04:01 LaNague wrote:
ok, i need to not be the worlds worst solo top.

first step: how do i deal with enemy junglers at the start especially?
i always feel like i cant do anything because the second i do, some jungler pops up and kills me. Often they actually do that, too.


it depends entirely on who you're playing, who the enemy is playing, what the enemy jungler is, etc etc etc

there's no set way to play top lane early

would you ever miss it?
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 15 2012 19:52 GMT
#4379
On January 16 2012 04:15 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 04:01 LaNague wrote:
ok, i need to not be the worlds worst solo top.

first step: how do i deal with enemy junglers at the start especially?
i always feel like i cant do anything because the second i do, some jungler pops up and kills me. Often they actually do that, too.


Learn jungle routes and figure out where they're starting. For example, if you're vs a lee sin, you know he's going to start double golem, so if you're blue side where purple side's golems are at the top of the map, you need to play more passive for the first few minutes because he's going to try a lvl 2 gank on you right after golems.
Basically, you need to try to keep tabs on where the jungler is. CV helps. Paying attention to the mini-map helps. Knowing jungle routes helps. Playing passive until you can back for a ward helps.

It's a lot like SC , there are timings and if you know them then you know when to look out. For example a normal clear from blue start finishes at about 3:20 and the jungler will probably be around red, so if you're blue side then make sure you're not overextended at that time. The Shaco bullshit gank can be as early as 2 minutes so if you're against a Shaco then just play super safe until you know where he is. I don't know much about Lee Sin but I think he can red gank a little bit after 2, maybe 2:15? Again if you're on blue side be careful around that time.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 15 2012 19:52 GMT
#4380
IMO the best way to learn top lane is to just pick someone you like playing, then just learn every matchup by playing that character against anyone.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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