[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 220

On January 16 2012 04:41 mr_tolkien wrote:
Just had the weirdest win ever (which I won't share since I raged).

I have Rammus jungle.
Rumble afk until the 4 minutes mark. Goes top lvl1 VS lvl4 Cho, who I tried to occupy a little.
Bottom gets double killed by Blitz/Graves as Sivir/Soraka.
Sivir announces she'll go afk since Rumble has been afk until her death and the game is therefore lost.
I gank bott, sivir afk in bush and /dance while I get her 2 opponents at sub 100hp.
I back (and begin the raging)

Long story short, it went something like 4-12 at the 20 minutes mark, with each lane outcsed, 3 towers and 2 drakes for the opponents. They had a fed Kennen and Graves, and a Jarman, so really strong teamfight potential. First teamfight : we kill all of them except Kennen :o
So we're kind of «wuuuuuuuuuut» since we really weren't in the mood anymore (3 3/2 surrender votes), Graves afks, we proceed to rush the Nash, he comes back, we ace them. We take an inhib, ace them again, take an inhib, ace them again. 24-12 win oO

This was really funny and learned me that even if certain players are absolutely terrible in lane, they can be very good teamfighters. Our Cassio was a very good example, she was very patient with her ult and always got 3-4 into it, which was followed by my ult and Rumble's ult. The Sivir who whined in German for 10 minutes while /taunt in hooks was actually a very good kiter. Our Soraka had very good reflexes for silences on Kennen and heals on me/the carries.

1400 elo is just so weird @_@

On January 16 2012 05:00 DoXa wrote:


first rule of every game is: never surrender (4v5 and such things not counted).

people surrender when they are 10 kills behind at 25 minutes. you can always come back, for example if they do baron at a bad time, someone gets caught in a bad position and many other things can happen

On January 16 2012 05:08 mr_tolkien wrote:

I know that, but still, the players looked very poor : bad reaction times, bad decision making, bad map awareness. And they had at least a comp as good as ours. I just rewatched the replay, I still don't get how they played SO WELL in teamfights despite having no clue how to play the laning phase. Maybe me rolling around trolling the opponents helped them though, Rammus taunt too good, everybody wanted to kill me.

On January 16 2012 04:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
IMO the best way to learn top lane is to just pick someone you like playing, then just learn every matchup by playing that character against anyone.

On January 16 2012 05:12 57 Corvette wrote:
Wow, i don't think I have ever CSed that hard in my life.

28ish Mins and I have 255 CS. I know I had an easy time farming after level 7ish (Gragas ftw), but this is even above my average.

On January 16 2012 05:00 DoXa wrote:
first rule of every game is: never surrender

On January 16 2012 07:18 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
How does AD kennen work?

On January 16 2012 04:15 BlackPaladin wrote:


Learn jungle routes and figure out where they're starting. For example, if you're vs a lee sin, you know he's going to start double golem, so if you're blue side where purple side's golems are at the top of the map, you need to play more passive for the first few minutes because he's going to try a lvl 2 gank on you right after golems.
Basically, you need to try to keep tabs on where the jungler is. CV helps. Paying attention to the mini-map helps. Knowing jungle routes helps. Playing passive until you can back for a ward helps.

On January 16 2012 07:23 Craton wrote:
You basically rely on autoattacks and W to do a lot of your damage, but you still use your other abilities.



Types of surrender votes:

• Unwinnable
  
• Could comeback, but fuck the people on your team (not worth the time)
  
• Dejection (often by the super feeder(s)), despite team being ahead or even as a whole
  
• Trolls

At a certain level of play, there are games that you will never ever win after a certain point without a miracle like a lengthy disconnect or intentional throwing of the game by one or more enemy players. This is the unwinnable category. The argument that such a situation might occur if you drag the game out long enough is a very poor argument given the time you waste for the slimmest of odds. Just move on to the next game.

#2 is a large portion of the losing games. Once you get behind you usually have 1-3 people who start blaming everyone else and being generally insufferable. If your team was cooperating, you could potentially come back, but it's not worth dealing with the people for a lengthy period of time on the slim chance of winning.

The dejection category usually happens by one of your teammates who are feeding and really behind in their lane. This often comes in the form of someone blaming the 10/0/50 jungler for not ganking enough and then spamming surrender votes. It also occurs when you have several areas losing (e.g. two lanes and jungler), but your last lane is dominating incredibly hard to the point where they can potentially carry the rest of the team once you start grouping. This category basically exists because of many people being too incompetent or too emotional to properly gauge the state of the game.

The last category is just the trolls and asshats of the game who are intentionally trying to lose the game for whatever deluded reason.

"Never surrender" is just a bullshit line. There are many times where you should cut your losses and move on. It's a game.

On January 16 2012 07:23 barbsq wrote:


it works pretty well since he has decent enough range and a built in stun and a + dmg on every 5th autoattack that scales with AD. He also happens to be a slippery bastard and his ult makes it very difficult to approach him. It's still a semi-troll build seeing as how well he scales from building AP, but kennen can be an interesting AD pick too

On January 16 2012 08:38 mr_tolkien wrote:

He's as troll as AD Tristana >.> She has only AP scaling and still the standard on her is an AD build :o