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On January 16 2012 08:38 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:23 barbsq wrote:On January 16 2012 07:18 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
How does AD kennen work? it works pretty well since he has decent enough range and a built in stun and a + dmg on every 5th autoattack that scales with AD. He also happens to be a slippery bastard and his ult makes it very difficult to approach him. It's still a semi-troll build seeing as how well he scales from building AP, but kennen can be an interesting AD pick too He's as troll as AD Tristana >.> She has only AP scaling and still the standard on her is an AD build :o
yeah except that she has really high cooldowns 1 of which requires her to get right next to somebody to do damage (and no it's not the same as lightning rush because rocket jump is basically her primary pre-6 nuke, kennen doesn't have nearly the reliance on lightning rush). Not to mention she has an attackspeed steroid, which i shouldn't have to explain is indirectly AD scaling. Granted, just saying kennen scales better with AP isn't really a totally solid argument for making AD troll, but i didn't feel the need to list out every reason that AP kennen is currently considered stronger than AD kennen.
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On January 16 2012 07:47 Skithiryx wrote:Uhh, just building on this, you can start DBlade and do red to hit 2 now as lee sin while keeping 70%+ it's usually how I start out my games, it's especially nice with supports now running Heal+Exhaust and no CV because it's generally a free kill on top lane unless they're pushed all the way back already...
How do you do this? Whenever I try Wraiths -> Red as Lee Sin, I end up around 40% HP. Am I just getting horrible leashes? :-(.
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On January 16 2012 07:23 Craton wrote:
The dejection category usually happens by one of your teammates who are feeding and really behind in their lane. This often comes in the form of someone blaming the 10/0/50 jungler for not ganking enough and then spamming surrender votes. It also occurs when you have several areas losing (e.g. two lanes and jungler), but your last lane is dominating incredibly hard to the point where they can potentially carry the rest of the team once you start grouping. This category basically exists because of many people being too incompetent or too emotional to properly gauge the state of the game.
I think this has a lot more to due with people not trusting the random strangers they get matched with on their team. If I'm doing really fucking awful and know that I can't carry I will often want to surrender and move on because I go into most games of LoL assuming my teammates aren't good. Sure, I do get matched up with good players and players who are better than me but I think lots of people assume that if they can't carry the game they probably won't win it.
And, to be fair, I think most people would say that they tend to win more often if they out CS their lane and have a positive K/D. Although shit talking people, blaming the team because you did bad, and spamming surrender votes is really silly. I don't do that. But if I do bad in lane I assume it's a loss about 90% of the time because it usually is.
However, I did play a game yesterday where virtually every lane lost but instead of blaming each other or getting pissed everyone was cool with it and we ended up winning despite being roughly 20 kills down.
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On January 16 2012 08:47 Zelc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:47 Skithiryx wrote:Uhh, just building on this, you can start DBlade and do red to hit 2 now as lee sin while keeping 70%+ it's usually how I start out my games, it's especially nice with supports now running Heal+Exhaust and no CV because it's generally a free kill on top lane unless they're pushed all the way back already... How do you do this? Whenever I try Wraiths -> Red as Lee Sin, I end up around 40% HP. Am I just getting horrible leashes? :-(.
You can do that way and you will always end up sub 50% don't do wraiths, it's an all in-ish style of strat, but just start DBlade and E get someone to pull the lizard take it out level Q as long as you hit your Q you'll either do ALOT of damage or just force a back/really passive play and help put that lane way in the lead, I like to gank mid with it every now and again because it's usually expected that you hit top lane...
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On January 16 2012 08:43 57 Corvette wrote:
Does anyone have a decent guide to jungle Taric? The ones on TSM are kinda crap
here's mine, "don't"
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On January 16 2012 08:47 Zelc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 07:47 Skithiryx wrote:Uhh, just building on this, you can start DBlade and do red to hit 2 now as lee sin while keeping 70%+ it's usually how I start out my games, it's especially nice with supports now running Heal+Exhaust and no CV because it's generally a free kill on top lane unless they're pushed all the way back already... How do you do this? Whenever I try Wraiths -> Red as Lee Sin, I end up around 40% HP. Am I just getting horrible leashes? :-(.
TBH no one should ever go below 3/4 if they're getting leashed, period. 90% of the time it be possible for you to be full HP when you finish a buff. You shouldn't take more damage than the sigil heals on Wraiths or Wolves, and it's not hard to take the buff into smite-able damage range before it re-aggros to the jungler. People are just lazy/stupid and don't hit the buff enough or are stingy about using their skills.
People in this game in general need to learn to give better leashes.
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Just realized that top streamers make a ton of money..
At 10k streamers TOO could play 3 ads an our and make at least $90 an hour. Consider streaming at least a couple hours a day plus tournament winnings and that's a lot of money o.o
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On January 16 2012 09:22 Jaso wrote:
Just realized that top streamers make a ton of money..
At 10k streamers TOO could play 3 ads an our and make at least $90 an hour. Consider streaming at least a couple hours a day plus tournament winnings and that's a lot of money o.o
a viewer who has seen an ad previously generates significantly less revenue if they see the same ad again later in the day, on the same channel or a different one. Not sure if you're factoring that into your math (how could you?) but it's very important
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On January 16 2012 09:29 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:22 Jaso wrote:
Just realized that top streamers make a ton of money..
At 10k streamers TOO could play 3 ads an our and make at least $90 an hour. Consider streaming at least a couple hours a day plus tournament winnings and that's a lot of money o.o a viewer who has seen an ad previously generates significantly less revenue if they see the same ad again later in the day, on the same channel or a different one. Not sure if you're factoring that into your math (how could you?) but it's very important
Ahh yeah that would be a pretty big factor. And since own3d.tv doesn't really have a large collection of ads that would have a large impact.
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On January 16 2012 09:33 Jaso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:29 UniversalSnip wrote:On January 16 2012 09:22 Jaso wrote:
Just realized that top streamers make a ton of money..
At 10k streamers TOO could play 3 ads an our and make at least $90 an hour. Consider streaming at least a couple hours a day plus tournament winnings and that's a lot of money o.o a viewer who has seen an ad previously generates significantly less revenue if they see the same ad again later in the day, on the same channel or a different one. Not sure if you're factoring that into your math (how could you?) but it's very important Ahh yeah that would be a pretty big factor. And since own3d.tv doesn't really have a large collection of ads that would have a large impact.
And then shave off another 50%~~ for people who use AdBlock or aren't in a supported region.
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On January 16 2012 09:49 Skithiryx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:33 Jaso wrote:On January 16 2012 09:29 UniversalSnip wrote:On January 16 2012 09:22 Jaso wrote:
Just realized that top streamers make a ton of money..
At 10k streamers TOO could play 3 ads an our and make at least $90 an hour. Consider streaming at least a couple hours a day plus tournament winnings and that's a lot of money o.o a viewer who has seen an ad previously generates significantly less revenue if they see the same ad again later in the day, on the same channel or a different one. Not sure if you're factoring that into your math (how could you?) but it's very important Ahh yeah that would be a pretty big factor. And since own3d.tv doesn't really have a large collection of ads that would have a large impact. And then shave off another 50%~~ for people who use AdBlock or aren't in a supported region.
That kind of thing really chaps me. Intellectual property isn't free to produce and distribute. If you're gonna watch a stream, watch the damn ads and support the streamers and sites.
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And nice streamers like TOO only play them in between games too.. shame :/
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On January 16 2012 10:03 Jaso wrote:
And nice streamers like TOO only play them in between games too.. shame :/
Yeah I love it when he ONLY plays 12 adds in a row.
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I was wondering who's TOO these past few days when I saw people calling him TOO then I realized today that it's TheOddOne that people are talking about.
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On January 16 2012 09:59 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:49 Skithiryx wrote:On January 16 2012 09:33 Jaso wrote:On January 16 2012 09:29 UniversalSnip wrote:On January 16 2012 09:22 Jaso wrote:
Just realized that top streamers make a ton of money..
At 10k streamers TOO could play 3 ads an our and make at least $90 an hour. Consider streaming at least a couple hours a day plus tournament winnings and that's a lot of money o.o a viewer who has seen an ad previously generates significantly less revenue if they see the same ad again later in the day, on the same channel or a different one. Not sure if you're factoring that into your math (how could you?) but it's very important Ahh yeah that would be a pretty big factor. And since own3d.tv doesn't really have a large collection of ads that would have a large impact. And then shave off another 50%~~ for people who use AdBlock or aren't in a supported region. That kind of thing really chaps me. Intellectual property isn't free to produce and distribute. If you're gonna watch a stream, watch the damn ads and support the streamers and sites.
AdBlock in particular can set up exceptions. Own3D had (maybe still has) a big issue where the stream/ads would unmute every time a new ad was played. HOSTS files (like I use) are much more indiscriminate, but help a lot with stopping malware and obtrusive / excessive ads. Sites generally use some kind of ad network to deliver the ads and these networks often don't screen the ads very well ahead of time. You end up needing to wait until a "bad" ad can be reported by the website(s), then processed by the network, which can take awhile. People would block things less if it weren't for how often sites/ad networks tried to throw a million ads over every inch of the page / use flash ads with pop ups and/or sound.
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On January 16 2012 08:50 Skithiryx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:47 Zelc wrote:On January 16 2012 07:47 Skithiryx wrote:Uhh, just building on this, you can start DBlade and do red to hit 2 now as lee sin while keeping 70%+ it's usually how I start out my games, it's especially nice with supports now running Heal+Exhaust and no CV because it's generally a free kill on top lane unless they're pushed all the way back already... How do you do this? Whenever I try Wraiths -> Red as Lee Sin, I end up around 40% HP. Am I just getting horrible leashes? :-(. You can do that way and you will always end up sub 50% don't do wraiths, it's an all in-ish style of strat, but just start DBlade and E get someone to pull the lizard take it out level Q as long as you hit your Q you'll either do ALOT of damage or just force a back/really passive play and help put that lane way in the lead, I like to gank mid with it every now and again because it's usually expected that you hit top lane...
I think it's best to open with boots with Lee Sin tbh. A lot of the time in solo queue people aren't going to give you those godly pulls at red so it's just safe to pack potions with you. Also, in the case that things just go really bad with your lvl 2 gank and you are forced to retreat back into the jungle, boots and potions allows you to stay and farm a little and attempt another gank much better than opening with dorans.
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On January 16 2012 10:51 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:50 Skithiryx wrote:On January 16 2012 08:47 Zelc wrote:On January 16 2012 07:47 Skithiryx wrote:Uhh, just building on this, you can start DBlade and do red to hit 2 now as lee sin while keeping 70%+ it's usually how I start out my games, it's especially nice with supports now running Heal+Exhaust and no CV because it's generally a free kill on top lane unless they're pushed all the way back already... How do you do this? Whenever I try Wraiths -> Red as Lee Sin, I end up around 40% HP. Am I just getting horrible leashes? :-(. You can do that way and you will always end up sub 50% don't do wraiths, it's an all in-ish style of strat, but just start DBlade and E get someone to pull the lizard take it out level Q as long as you hit your Q you'll either do ALOT of damage or just force a back/really passive play and help put that lane way in the lead, I like to gank mid with it every now and again because it's usually expected that you hit top lane... I think it's best to open with boots with Lee Sin tbh. A lot of the time in solo queue people aren't going to give you those godly pulls at red so it's just safe to pack potions with you. Also, in the case that things just go really bad with your lvl 2 gank and you are forced to retreat back into the jungle, boots and potions allows you to stay and farm a little and attempt another gank much better than opening with dorans.
Well all of my pulls on red have only ever been an auto and then the person ran, the best I had was a wukong who started q for me so it was done alot quicker, even with a DBlade opening if your ganks fails or whatever you can just go back in and farm Doubles > Wraiths > Wolves a time or two then just b get boots+pots+wards and continue on.
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anyone else have the laggiest game of their life just now?
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On January 16 2012 10:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:03 Jaso wrote:
And nice streamers like TOO only play them in between games too.. shame :/ Yeah I love it when he ONLY plays 12 adds in a row.
o.o I've never noticed a lot of ads on his stream.
Hotshot, on the other hand, plays a ton. ><
edit: @^ i've been having a lot of lag lately, but that just be my internet.
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I just played a 52 minute game where no one knew what was happening the entire game and then we didn't even get loss forgiven. it was basically 2 teams A-moving into each other until 1 of them won.
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