EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 223
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 16 2012 12:00 LoCicero wrote: I think this subforum needs a new posting requirement: Has to have played Pantheon at least 5 times before posting. This should exist for no other reason than the fact that Pantheon is the coolest champion in league of legends, bar none. 95% win rate with pantheon ^_^ Btw, I picked up jarman just cuz, you know, smash plays him but I suck horribly. Can anybody recommend some replays or VODS I can watch to improve my jarman play? | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On January 16 2012 12:37 Two_DoWn wrote: There is a reason ad carries used to go mid. It sure as hell wasnt because they sucked in solo lanes. Btw she tried to kill me at 6. But since I had heal and Graves' burst with ult is stupid strong as well I survived with like 50 HP and she didn't. Then I got blue, Wriggles and she basically couldn't touch me because I was full HP all the time and she actually lost any full HP all-in. Idk, this champ seems retarded level strong. | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
On January 16 2012 12:38 NotSorry wrote: can't seem to find the bracket page for this week's go4lol NA bracket EU West bracket EU East bracket | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 16 2012 12:46 BluzMan wrote: Btw she tried to kill me at 6. But since I had heal and Graves' burst with ult is stupid strong as well I survived with like 50 HP and she didn't. Then I got blue, Wriggles and she basically couldn't touch me because I was full HP all the time and she actually lost any full HP all-in. Idk, this champ seems retarded level strong. You didn't level his E so he has no AD steroid but good burst and poke. From there, heal and the level advantage from getting the first kill gave you a bigger advantage? Not at all reliant on "holy shit an AD that can beat APs". In (un)related news I just fed a teemo doublebuff after my mid veigar died. Gave him an even bigger level advantage but we still won because GP reconnected late. So sad  | ||
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fuzzbox
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On January 16 2012 13:34 fuzzbox wrote: is it me or the recent trend of AD carries completely outclass Cait now? Cait's kill potential is pretty close to zero. she's definitely not solo queue worthy anymore. i don't even know why. all i play is AD and it is a lot easier to carry with Graves, Vayne, Trist, Sivir, etc... cait got nerfed half a dozen times | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 16 2012 12:46 BluzMan wrote: Btw she tried to kill me at 6. But since I had heal and Graves' burst with ult is stupid strong as well I survived with like 50 HP and she didn't. Then I got blue, Wriggles and she basically couldn't touch me because I was full HP all the time and she actually lost any full HP all-in. Idk, this champ seems retarded level strong. my understanding of basically why ad's shifted bot is basically that yeah, they're strong in lane, and have some really good matchups, but they can also get seriously counterpicked, which leads to your primary late-game dps being incredibly gimped. Having a support babysit you really mitigates that, and basically makes it less likely for you to get shut down. like, mf, cait, ezreal and corki are all classically really strong solo mid champions. Vayne is super strong in top lane, so a ranged AD champion doing really well in a solo lane matchup isn't exactly mindblowing. Something also to consider is that during the period of solo lane ranged AD, cass used to be listed as a low tier trash champ (by a majority of players, doesnt necessarily mean it was true). Now whether that has anything to do with her potentially being bad against ranged AD, or ppl simply had no clue how to play her is up for debate, but still something to think about. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On January 16 2012 11:19 Two_DoWn wrote: God shyvanna is op. Like seriously stupidly retardedly op. And I love it cuz no one plays her. Pretty much this, but don't tell anyone. 50 free MR and armor is imba yo. Means she can build straight health and just be so ridiculously tanky it is stupid. Nothing quite like having 4k life and 200/200 resists while building Mallet, Warmogs, Atmas, and wits. I don't know if it is that she is OP, but she definitely snowballs prettyhard and is much much much stronger than most understand. Its been great for me because Shyv has been my favorite champ since her release. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On January 16 2012 13:17 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: You didn't level his E so he has no AD steroid but good burst and poke. From there, heal and the level advantage from getting the first kill gave you a bigger advantage? Not at all reliant on "holy shit an AD that can beat APs". In (un)related news I just fed a teemo doublebuff after my mid veigar died. Gave him an even bigger level advantage but we still won because GP reconnected late. So sad I was just pointing out that a specific champion has assassin-level burst combined with really good pushing power all the while having one of the best autoattack steroids in the game, a dash and scaling entirely off of AD on both burst and sustained damage. Oh and he's ranged. I'm not sure he is 100% broken yet, but he sure looks like. EDIT: Not to discuss Graves' viability in mid in general, I was just surprised he outpushed Cass who is a really strong pusher. We didn't make any concise effort to kill each other outside of jungle ganks later on, but she found herself killing creeps under her tower much more often than I did which just seems strange to me but w/e. Since I'm primarily playing ranged AD atm asking jungler to donate blue felt very strange but with Graves it's well worth it. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On January 16 2012 13:59 daemir wrote: Well CLG seems to be having a lot of fun in their game vs Crs based on the amount of trash flying around :d Yeah it's actually not the same blame-fest that it usually is. So much more fun to listen to when they're having fun :D | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 16 2012 14:18 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: graves is just an all around pretty strong pick - passive giving him resists, nice AOE clear, great burst, decent mobility and a great steroid. You can put him wherever you want and he'll generally do well. That's the case for pretty much every AD carry in the game except a few. Pretty much every AD carry in the game could solo lane very well except for Ashe and maybe Kog. One of the biggest reasons why ADs are bot lane now with support is because they really only need farm; levels are nice but generally not crucial to success. On the other hand, APs need levels badly so they require a solo lane. Bruisers usually require a good measure of farm/levels before they become strong in terms of teamfights, and since mid/bot lane has a lot of early-mid game action regarding dragon control, having bruisers who traditionally require levels/farm to reach teamfighting potential at mid/bot tends to be sub-optimal, hence running bruisers top. TLDR: AD carries aren't solo lanes because there are other roles that could use solo lanes better. It's definitely not because they can't solo well. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Regi derping hard again. Dives Xerath at tower, gets stunned by Xerath and dies. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
like wtf, they would time every ward, every buff. Rage at each other so hard for mistakes. Against CLG, they're just like whatever at mistakes, and they're only timing dragons. It's like they're playing for fun lol edit: And Chaox just took blue from Regi bahahahhahahaa. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 16 2012 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote: That's the case for pretty much every AD carry in the game except a few. Pretty much every AD carry in the game could solo lane very well except for Ashe and maybe Kog. One of the biggest reasons why ADs are bot lane now with support is because they really only need farm; levels are nice but generally not crucial to success. On the other hand, APs need levels badly so they require a solo lane. Bruisers usually require a good measure of farm/levels before they become strong in terms of teamfights, and since mid/bot lane has a lot of early-mid game action regarding dragon control, having bruisers who traditionally require levels/farm to reach teamfighting potential at mid/bot tends to be sub-optimal, hence running bruisers top. TLDR: AD carries aren't solo lanes because there are other roles that could use solo lanes better. It's definitely not because they can't solo well. Close. AD carries are bot because they can handle THAT spot best, not that other classes handle solo lanes better. There was a bit when US was still doing other shit bot and EU was doing AD support where AD Support proved just to be the safest and easiest way to ensure maximum farm on the ad, and open up another solo lane for another team member (at the time, it was dual ap). Bruisers actually tend to be very poor solo laners compared to other roles. Just try to match up someone like tryndamere against kennen, ryze, or vayne. Its just that if you can actually get the solo bruiser ahead your team will have a huge advantage. | ||
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