• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:27
CET 07:27
KST 15:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
2026 KongFu Cup Announcement3BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled11Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains15Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block4GSL CK - New online series18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 KongFu Cup Announcement [GSL CK] Team Maru vs. Team herO StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 ASL21 General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 21? Hype VIDEO Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Mexico's Drug War NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1970 users

[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 225

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 223 224 225 226 227 235 Next
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 16 2012 06:50 GMT
#4481
Still I think if you're going to choose, smart casting smite is theoretically better since it's just very slightly faster. But it doesn't really make a noticeable difference and Saint's probably just used to normal cast.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
January 16 2012 06:52 GMT
#4482
holding correct opinions


This is my favorite.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 16 2012 06:54 GMT
#4483
On January 16 2012 15:50 starfries wrote:
Still I think if you're going to choose, smart casting smite is theoretically better since it's just very slightly faster. But it doesn't really make a noticeable difference and Saint's probably just used to normal cast.

Well, the advantage that not smartcasting smite has is that you can see the exact range if you are trying to steal something. Not to mention it really doesnt matter if it is faster or not- you likely already have the button pressed long before the time comes to smite. I find the range to be very helpful. Jungle is my most played role but being at the VERY max range can be a huge benefit.

Plus for important spells like that the control of a selected click is very beneficial. Could you imagine how pissed you would be if you accidentally smited a yorick ghoul instead of baron or dragon?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 16 2012 06:56 GMT
#4484
On January 16 2012 15:52 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
holding correct opinions


This is my favorite.


It's hyperbole. There's such a thing as a wrong opinion, though - it's when an opinion doesn't line up with any form of well-reasoned belief (The sky isn't blue, Geocentrism, Flat Earth Theory). I don't think Shikyo is quite that bad, but some of this shit seriously defies any sort of logic-based thinking.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 16 2012 06:56 GMT
#4485
Semi unrelated note: this forum needs a button for mods and/or high elo players that wipes posts that are just flat wrong from existence. Like the rage against the jarman dude in that thread.

We could even name it the Numbers button.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 07:12:48
January 16 2012 06:57 GMT
#4486
In solo q 90% of the time saint doesn't even try to last hit. He CAN, he just doesn't care. He also often simply pushes a lane super fast, not caring about cs, after a successful gank just to deny experience as that's more important early on when levels are more important than 50 gold. You notice a lot of differences in his play between solo q and real games anyway. Like buying wards, actually trying to last hit better than normal (he still last hits better than most players even when not trying), etc.

Smartcasting is more of a preference than anything. Saying you're bad just because you don't do it just makes you a moron. Think of it as hotkeys in SC. Some like their army on 3, some like it on 1. Some people like smartcasting certain abilities, some don't.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 16 2012 06:58 GMT
#4487
On January 16 2012 15:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 15:50 starfries wrote:
Still I think if you're going to choose, smart casting smite is theoretically better since it's just very slightly faster. But it doesn't really make a noticeable difference and Saint's probably just used to normal cast.

Well, the advantage that not smartcasting smite has is that you can see the exact range if you are trying to steal something. Not to mention it really doesnt matter if it is faster or not- you likely already have the button pressed long before the time comes to smite. I find the range to be very helpful. Jungle is my most played role but being at the VERY max range can be a huge benefit.

Plus for important spells like that the control of a selected click is very beneficial. Could you imagine how pissed you would be if you accidentally smited a yorick ghoul instead of baron or dragon?

That's why you bind normal cast to shift
I like smart cast because if you have to burst something with all your abilities you can spam them supa fast
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 07:01:50
January 16 2012 07:01 GMT
#4488
On January 16 2012 15:58 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 15:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 16 2012 15:50 starfries wrote:
Still I think if you're going to choose, smart casting smite is theoretically better since it's just very slightly faster. But it doesn't really make a noticeable difference and Saint's probably just used to normal cast.

Well, the advantage that not smartcasting smite has is that you can see the exact range if you are trying to steal something. Not to mention it really doesnt matter if it is faster or not- you likely already have the button pressed long before the time comes to smite. I find the range to be very helpful. Jungle is my most played role but being at the VERY max range can be a huge benefit.

Plus for important spells like that the control of a selected click is very beneficial. Could you imagine how pissed you would be if you accidentally smited a yorick ghoul instead of baron or dragon?

That's why you bind normal cast to shift
I like smart cast because if you have to burst something with all your abilities you can spam them supa fast

Personally, I switch up my smartcasts each game depending on the character.

Shyv- smartcast e, regular cast ulti. GP- Smarcast q, regular ulti. Graves- smartcast qwr, regular e, for example.

My summoners are always regular cast though.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
January 16 2012 07:03 GMT
#4489
On January 16 2012 15:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Semi unrelated note: this forum needs a button for mods and/or high elo players that wipes posts that are just flat wrong from existence. Like the rage against the jarman dude in that thread.

We could even name it the Numbers button.


nah, I think the initial posts and first few responses are quite humorous to read. it's even more funny when the poster at fault gets warned. *cough*
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2012 07:07 GMT
#4490
On January 16 2012 16:03 broz0rs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 15:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Semi unrelated note: this forum needs a button for mods and/or high elo players that wipes posts that are just flat wrong from existence. Like the rage against the jarman dude in that thread.

We could even name it the Numbers button.


nah, I think the initial posts and first few responses are quite humorous to read. it's even more funny when the poster at fault gets warned. *cough*


sup? You called?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 16 2012 07:08 GMT
#4491
On January 16 2012 16:01 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 15:58 starfries wrote:
On January 16 2012 15:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
On January 16 2012 15:50 starfries wrote:
Still I think if you're going to choose, smart casting smite is theoretically better since it's just very slightly faster. But it doesn't really make a noticeable difference and Saint's probably just used to normal cast.

Well, the advantage that not smartcasting smite has is that you can see the exact range if you are trying to steal something. Not to mention it really doesnt matter if it is faster or not- you likely already have the button pressed long before the time comes to smite. I find the range to be very helpful. Jungle is my most played role but being at the VERY max range can be a huge benefit.

Plus for important spells like that the control of a selected click is very beneficial. Could you imagine how pissed you would be if you accidentally smited a yorick ghoul instead of baron or dragon?

That's why you bind normal cast to shift
I like smart cast because if you have to burst something with all your abilities you can spam them supa fast

Personally, I switch up my smartcasts each game depending on the character.

Shyv- smartcast e, regular cast ulti. GP- Smarcast q, regular ulti. Graves- smartcast qwr, regular e, for example.

My summoners are always regular cast though.

Yeah, I do this too, totally depends on which champion I'm playing.
liftlift > tsm
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 16 2012 07:16 GMT
#4492
On January 16 2012 16:03 broz0rs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 15:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Semi unrelated note: this forum needs a button for mods and/or high elo players that wipes posts that are just flat wrong from existence. Like the rage against the jarman dude in that thread.

We could even name it the Numbers button.


nah, I think the initial posts and first few responses are quite humorous to read. it's even more funny when the poster at fault gets warned. *cough*

But if we actually had a numbers button we would have to guess what posts were gonna be numbersed and then quote them quickly, just like we used to when numbers posted. Never knew what would be there 30 seconds later and what wouldnt.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 07:27:19
January 16 2012 07:25 GMT
#4493
On January 16 2012 14:45 Skithiryx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 14:37 BlackMagister wrote:
You really need a lot of wards to deal with Rammus ganks. That's probably a smart idea to have a support jungler to counter rammus. That was also a neat GP and Sivir Ult to double kill bot.

Regi derping hard again. Dives Xerath at tower, gets stunned by Xerath and dies.


Everytime i've ever watched Regi he just seems to make these Hyper-Agressive moves that pay off maybe 1/4 of the time? Like I watched him playing Kassa throwing out the REQ combo, then while it was all on CD and his opponent flashed away he flashed at him and then just turned around and ran off...


I'm not sure if most people are aware of this (and yes I'm late due to someone calling the Neophone on Shikyo <3), but exactly the above is the best way to practice stuff like that.

To get good at something that's not in your normal comfort zone, you practice it to the extreme for a certain amount of time.


If you feel you play too passively, you don't "turn up your agression", you play like the bastard child of Reginald and saint on cocaine.

If you feel never time buffs correctly you write a fucking huge sticker on your comp that says "MUST... TIME... CAMPS...". You might miss like every gank opportunity, but you won't care since you focus on knowing when every single small camp spawns without typing it down.

If you feel that you farm like a fknewb you play a game where all you do is aim to get every single fucking lasthit in lane while you're there. This might result in you loldieing a few times since you might take harass for free, but as long as you accomplish the original goal it doesn't matter.


Do stuff like the above for 3-5 games in a row, then try playing "normal" again. You'll notice that you're way more agressive, that you are running to not-spawned wolves while you judge lanes for ganks (and they magically appear 2s later) and you notice yourself shrugging off harass/harassing better while magically having 10-15% more lasthits.


Practice like this and you'll improve WAY quicker than anyone who "just plays and adjusts along the way".


Edit: Wow, Neo, changing the topic with a huge picture right after me trying to sound like a guru? NOW I KNOW WHY NUMBERS STARTED DOING WHAT HE DID. =,(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2012 07:25 GMT
#4494
Hey Two_DoWn, I heard you were worried about Dignitas at Kiev next week...

[image loading]


Not sure if serious... or just Jatt fanboi...
huehue.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 16 2012 07:27 GMT
#4495
what's with the whiteouts
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 07:30:38
January 16 2012 07:28 GMT
#4496
On January 16 2012 16:27 UniversalSnip wrote:
what's with the whiteouts


Afraid of showing who he has on his friends list I guess?

e: Oh, it's summoners/champions.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 16 2012 07:29 GMT
#4497
secret strategy with the summoners that he doesn't want to give away?
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2012 07:30 GMT
#4498
On January 16 2012 16:27 UniversalSnip wrote:
what's with the whiteouts


I got invited to a scrim. Both teams have big tournaments coming up (Kiev for Dig, OGN Invite for MiG).
Without giving too much info about either teams, I just wanted to mention to TD that Dominate is actually really good. It's like not like Dignitas is trying to catch up to their former form here. They aren't in as bad as shape as TD has been saying lately just because Jatt retired.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 16 2012 07:30 GMT
#4499
doesn't mean anything maokai so easy even saint's cat can play it
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 16 2012 07:31 GMT
#4500
On January 16 2012 16:28 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 16:27 UniversalSnip wrote:
what's with the whiteouts


Afraid of showing who he has on his friends list I guess?


Not friends list. Upper right hand corner you can see that it's Dignitas vs MiG.
I'm just hiding the champion picks because scarra is pretty hush hush and I think loco is too.
Showing Dominate on Maokai isn't all that revealing. Jungle picks are from a small pool.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Prev 1 223 224 225 226 227 235 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 275
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 29250
ToSsGirL 84
HiyA 81
Noble 72
League of Legends
JimRising 750
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1037
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King189
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor176
Other Games
summit1g9918
WinterStarcraft501
Moletrap1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick528
ComeBackTV 155
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1675
• HappyZerGling122
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 33m
RSL Revival
3h 33m
ByuN vs SHIN
Maru vs Krystianer
WardiTV Team League
5h 33m
Patches Events
10h 33m
BSL
13h 33m
GSL
1d 1h
Wardi Open
1d 5h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 10h
OSC
1d 17h
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-13
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
NationLESS Cup
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.