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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
December 31 2011 01:58 GMT
#281
On December 31 2011 10:52 daemir wrote:
But, if the stream the ads are playing has a crapton of viewers, what the hell does it matter for the advertiser? Ad shown to a viewer is ad shown to a viewer no matter if they were watching the NASL finals or hotshott trying to figure out how to add battery to his phone.

You say this as if Advertisers are blissfully unaware that there are 4000 viewers who all have the HSGG window minimized and muted and "watching" their advertisements back to back.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 02:03:49
December 31 2011 02:00 GMT
#282
You say this as if advertisers are gonna follow every freaking stream around to calculate how many ads get shown to an afk crew?

Im sure they've thought about people actually having several streams open at once and it's obvious they won't see all ads from all streams at all times and it's reflected in the price they paid for their ad runs. If they didn't then..well shit, paypal me some money, I think I just saved your company some dough!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 31 2011 02:00 GMT
#283
Wow, impressive comeback from EG.
currently rooting for myself.
Mufaa
Profile Joined October 2010
219 Posts
December 31 2011 02:00 GMT
#284
On December 31 2011 10:45 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 10:21 Shiv. wrote:
http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/14954096639/clarifications

FXOBoss complaining about HotShot stealing ad views.


Wow, this Boss guy sounds like he is both misinformed and an all around jerkface. How is it a bad advertisement if people are still watching? If people want to watch some guy setup his desktop or go afk and listen to his music and the ad's play occasionally is that wrong? That's theft? Letting viewers have a choice is theft is about as silly as saying that Hon would be a more successful game if only Dota players would of switched.

The internet doesn't work that way. *boggle*


This "boss guy" has been a part of the sc2 community as a sponsor/team owner for quite a while. I think he makes a good point too. How many of those 4k viewers are actually watching his ads? I'm willing to bet it's under 5%. At best these advertisers are getting audio ads of people who left the stream open. If it was an occasional ad I'm sure he wouldn't care, but running a script to run ads while he isn't there does devalue them.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 02:04:14
December 31 2011 02:01 GMT
#285
On December 31 2011 10:52 daemir wrote:
But, if the stream the ads are playing has a crapton of viewers, what the hell does it matter for the advertiser? Ad shown to a viewer is ad shown to a viewer no matter if they were watching the NASL finals or hotshott trying to figure out how to add battery to his phone.


And again it falls to the choice of the viewer. If some guy is getting 10,000 viewers for spilling a sammich on himself. The concept that he should be punished is silly. It seems like he's just upset his streamers can't pull in that kind of viewership. Which is a problem with his players not with the system.

And quite frankly I don't care how much of a bigshot he is in the sc2 community. If he is saying something I feel is at best misguided jealously and at worse him subtly telling own3d that he wants bans on players who are not 100% at the computer(good luck tracking that and keeping those streamers in the firstplace) then I am going to call him out for it.

-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 31 2011 02:02 GMT
#286
On December 31 2011 10:45 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 10:21 Shiv. wrote:
http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/14954096639/clarifications

FXOBoss complaining about HotShot stealing ad views.


Wow, this Boss guy sounds like he is both misinformed and an all around jerkface. How is it a bad advertisement if people are still watching? If people want to watch some guy setup his desktop or go afk and listen to his music and the ad's play occasionally is that wrong? That's theft? Letting viewers have a choice is theft is about as silly as saying that Hon would be a more successful game if only Dota players would of switched.

The internet doesn't work that way. *boggle*

People aren't watching. They do something else with hotshots stream open but muted. Similar to a tv show being over, and then the company plays all the commercials they were paid to play but couldn't manage while the tv show was on. The fact that whatever contract he signed is limited to ads per viewer and would be impossible to differentiate between viewers who are watching his stream and a group of people who leave his stream open while they are asleep or at school or whatever while the company pays hotshot for playing ads which no one watches. Hotshot should be careful trying to abuse this, because it might be cheaper for a company to not be in a contract giving him money for ads than it would be to pay someone to watch his stream to see if ads are being played for a shadow audience. If something like this hurts own3d they might ban him to keep their business with companies.
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
December 31 2011 02:05 GMT
#287
I buy Graves, he gets nerfed the following patch, I buy Tryndamere, the following patch (this one) he gets nerfed =(
League of Legends hates me
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 31 2011 02:05 GMT
#288
On December 31 2011 10:51 Abenson wrote:
So about the whole elo-hell thing...
I'm not sure if it actually exists. I have an account that I share with friends that we dodged to 800 elo, and I have managed to hard carry all of my games there.
Yet when I read the people's angry comments on the Shikyo QQ thread, I feel like they're experiencing something I have (fortunately) not had to experience.

I want to hear your thought - does elo hell exist?


I always thought of Elo hell as the gap between 1300 and 1500, below 1300 you can literally 1v5 and hard carry the majority of you games but at around 1300 you really start to need a second person to help make it a 2v5.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 31 2011 02:06 GMT
#289
Since ranked is disabled, played an Aram game. Got Gragas

End game: 18/7/20. Further proves my theory that "Noobs cant dodge"
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 31 2011 02:07 GMT
#290
kogmaw doing work
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17239 Posts
December 31 2011 02:08 GMT
#291
Really didn't like MiG's picks. Morg + Cho + Malph is just so little damage. Completely reliant on Trist.
twitch.tv/cratonz
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
December 31 2011 02:08 GMT
#292
On December 31 2011 11:06 57 Corvette wrote:
Since ranked is disabled, played an Aram game. Got Gragas

End game: 18/7/20. Further proves my theory that "Noobs cant dodge"


gragas just really good ARAM
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 31 2011 02:09 GMT
#293
People streaming play ads while they're in game or while they're talking about strategy and people on the internet bitch. Someone plays ads while he's afk doing something else and people bitch.

Who the fuck cares? It's not like any advertisers are making a big deal out of this just some guy who's got a competing team and isn't making as much money as Hotshot.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 31 2011 02:09 GMT
#294
On December 31 2011 11:05 MetalMarine wrote:
I buy Graves, he gets nerfed the following patch, I buy Tryndamere, the following patch (this one) he gets nerfed =(
League of Legends hates me

Trynd is about exactly as viable as he was before this ''nerf''.
currently rooting for myself.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 31 2011 02:09 GMT
#295
On December 31 2011 11:06 57 Corvette wrote:
Since ranked is disabled, played an Aram game. Got Gragas

End game: 18/7/20. Further proves my theory that "Noobs cant dodge"


There's not much skill to hit shit in a 5v5 single lane with aoe abilities :X It gets kinda crowded. You need to try really really hard to hit nothing with his ult for example.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 31 2011 02:11 GMT
#296
On December 31 2011 11:01 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 10:52 daemir wrote:
But, if the stream the ads are playing has a crapton of viewers, what the hell does it matter for the advertiser? Ad shown to a viewer is ad shown to a viewer no matter if they were watching the NASL finals or hotshott trying to figure out how to add battery to his phone.


And again it falls to the choice of the viewer. If some guy is getting 10,000 viewers for spilling a sammich on himself. The concept that he should be punished is silly. It seems like he's just upset his streamers can't pull in that kind of viewership. Which is a problem with his players not with the system.

And quite frankly I don't care how much of a bigshot he is in the sc2 community. If he is saying something I feel is at best misguided jealously and at worse him subtly telling own3d that he wants bans on players who are not 100% at the computer(good luck tracking that and keeping those streamers in the firstplace) then I am going to call him out for it.



Yes but if this becomes a problem then companies will devalue their advertising on streaming sites and everyone will lose money due to a few douchebags abusing the system, and that directly effects fxoboss as his team all stream and need the added income
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 31 2011 02:13 GMT
#297
On December 31 2011 11:00 Shiv. wrote:
Wow, impressive comeback from EG.

trist really threw that game away going in so hard to try and catch the fizz that was baiting, once he got blasted down the rest was just clean up
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
StayPhrosty
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada406 Posts
December 31 2011 02:13 GMT
#298
On December 31 2011 11:05 MetalMarine wrote:
I buy Graves, he gets nerfed the following patch, I buy Tryndamere, the following patch (this one) he gets nerfed =(
League of Legends hates me


yea, i know that feeling man, but dont feel too bad. graves is still one of the best champions in the game right now, he's amazing bot lane.
To be is to do-Socrates To do is to be-Sartre Do Be Do Be Do-Sinatra
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 31 2011 02:15 GMT
#299
ZzZ I'd love to know the numbers related to all this ad stuff on streams, the moniez someone like voldermort can make a day seem insane, so maybe there's an economic bubble ready to blow anyway huehue

funny thing is, I don't ever get ads. I'm quite certain it's a region thing. Which is kinda annoying, that one time I wouldn't mind watching a few ads to support a streamer I like to watch and needs it, like say nhat, I can't. Coz there's no ads for this region.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 31 2011 02:20 GMT
#300
On December 31 2011 11:11 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 11:01 Parnage wrote:
On December 31 2011 10:52 daemir wrote:
But, if the stream the ads are playing has a crapton of viewers, what the hell does it matter for the advertiser? Ad shown to a viewer is ad shown to a viewer no matter if they were watching the NASL finals or hotshott trying to figure out how to add battery to his phone.


And again it falls to the choice of the viewer. If some guy is getting 10,000 viewers for spilling a sammich on himself. The concept that he should be punished is silly. It seems like he's just upset his streamers can't pull in that kind of viewership. Which is a problem with his players not with the system.

And quite frankly I don't care how much of a bigshot he is in the sc2 community. If he is saying something I feel is at best misguided jealously and at worse him subtly telling own3d that he wants bans on players who are not 100% at the computer(good luck tracking that and keeping those streamers in the firstplace) then I am going to call him out for it.



Yes but if this becomes a problem then companies will devalue their advertising on streaming sites and everyone will lose money due to a few douchebags abusing the system, and that directly effects fxoboss as his team all stream and need the added income



Except no advertising company is doing so and it's just FXOboss sounding like he's upset because one guy is taking ad's that his streamers can't actually use. It'd be different if it was something that was actually competing but I doubt any of his roster that streams is breaking more then 5k on the best of days. That's not a sling at him or FXO or the players(I think The Best and Leenock are pretty cool guys) it's just the facts.

Hell he's more likely to bring about the problem he doesn't want to happen by complaining about it in the first place.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
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