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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 21 2011 06:53 GMT
#2761
On December 21 2011 15:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Riot, please buff Karma.

-Thx.


karma's actually pretty stronk >.>
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 21 2011 07:04 GMT
#2762
On December 21 2011 15:53 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 15:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Riot, please buff Karma.

-Thx.


karma's actually pretty stronk >.>


Well then they can make her secret OP so we can take advantage until everyone else realizes ~~.
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
December 21 2011 07:11 GMT
#2763
she just doesnt fit into the meta at all because she's not that good without farm. She'd have to replace AP mid. Or I guess she could be tried solo top.
I will eat you alive
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
December 21 2011 07:19 GMT
#2764
On December 21 2011 10:46 TheYango wrote:
Personally, the only reason I think it's unfair for Saint to be banned is because the only way Riot could have found out so quickly is by watching his stream. None of it went through the due process of him getting reported and his Tribunal case being reviewed.

High-profile players should be treated just the same as normal players. That means banning them when they should be banned, but it also means that it should go through the normal process of reporting and evaluation, not just because they happened to be streaming when it happened.

The tribunal is a filter, not part of "Due Process" It lets Riot know what cases are worth their time to look at, because the volume of reports would be otherwise difficult, if not impossible, to manage.
If Riot wants to decide that SV is worth looking at without going through the tribunal, let them. Not only that, but the Tribunal is going to be a fuck of a lot more biased than anyone at Riot - consider that the people who do tribunal intersect pretty strongly with stream-viewers. (Level 30 requirement + they're more likely to be active or at least attentive with the community in some way than just a randomly picked LoL player)
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
December 21 2011 08:05 GMT
#2765
On December 21 2011 16:11 FieryBalrog wrote:
she just doesnt fit into the meta at all because she's not that good without farm. She'd have to replace AP mid. Or I guess she could be tried solo top.

She IS AP mid. She just doesnt' have any hard disables which makes her a poor choice of initiation and requires a relatively fed melee bruiser or tank to maximize her potential. She doesn't combo well with all team comps, which means she's more difficult to fit into drafts.

She does best with some form of tanky initiation because shield is a massive amount of burst and the survivability that it gives scales off the resistances of the target, while its damage scales off of the proximity of the target to multiple opponents. Her leash skill similarly creates a zone of slowed movement speed between her and the tank, which dissuades the opposing team from moving into your team's backline, and her fan heal's positional considerations and scaling also benefit from a tanky initiation, both to increase damage and maximize the ehp granted,
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 08:12:15
December 21 2011 08:08 GMT
#2766
On December 21 2011 09:27 overt wrote:
From Travis' SotL post on reddit:
Show nested quote +
As I mentioned in my post last week, State of the Game does an excellent thing at the end of the year where the guests all drink on the show and the audience participates in a drinking game created by the community. This is a once a year thing, so appreciate it while it lasts =P

I think that the League of Legends community can appreciate their booze even more than the StarCraft 2 community, so I'm going to steal their idea on this.


I don't wanna be a hater but why does he take everything from that show? The name, their ideas, and even the logo looks like the SotG one. I don't really watch the show, I'm sure he works hard on it and it's cool that he's doing it but why couldn't he come up with like one or two original ideas on his own?

I dunno, it'd just be cool if he at least attempted to differentiate his show from the SC2 one he's basically copy/pasting.

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes subjects from SotG even and then changes them to something lol related:p, never really liked the show purely because the name is lame, I mean he even uses the same layout as SotG, and listening to sydtko kinda boring.
As for the saint ban, could've been a rioter in his game actually.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 21 2011 08:13 GMT
#2767
On December 21 2011 17:08 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 09:27 overt wrote:
From Travis' SotL post on reddit:
As I mentioned in my post last week, State of the Game does an excellent thing at the end of the year where the guests all drink on the show and the audience participates in a drinking game created by the community. This is a once a year thing, so appreciate it while it lasts =P

I think that the League of Legends community can appreciate their booze even more than the StarCraft 2 community, so I'm going to steal their idea on this.


I don't wanna be a hater but why does he take everything from that show? The name, their ideas, and even the logo looks like the SotG one. I don't really watch the show, I'm sure he works hard on it and it's cool that he's doing it but why couldn't he come up with like one or two original ideas on his own?

I dunno, it'd just be cool if he at least attempted to differentiate his show from the SC2 one he's basically copy/pasting.

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes subjects from SotG even and then changes them to something lol related:p, never really liked the show purely because the name is lame, I mean he even uses the same layout as SotG, and listening to sydtko kinda boring.

I think the show would be better without Travis or at least a different host. I like hearing what the players have to say but he takes himself way too seriously. I listened to his commentary with Nhat and he kept trying to tell Nhat how to commentate or correcting him when Nhat was doing a fine job.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 21 2011 08:49 GMT
#2768
On December 21 2011 16:04 Ryalnos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 15:53 barbsq wrote:
On December 21 2011 15:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Riot, please buff Karma.

-Thx.


karma's actually pretty stronk >.>


Well then they can make her secret OP so we can take advantage until everyone else realizes ~~.

Fed irelia + farmed karma.
kekekekeke
In the woods, there lurks..
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 21 2011 08:52 GMT
#2769
On December 21 2011 17:49 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 16:04 Ryalnos wrote:
On December 21 2011 15:53 barbsq wrote:
On December 21 2011 15:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Riot, please buff Karma.

-Thx.


karma's actually pretty stronk >.>


Well then they can make her secret OP so we can take advantage until everyone else realizes ~~.

Fed irelia + farmed karma.
kekekekeke

Fed Irelia+Fed Ori better though.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 09:08:11
December 21 2011 09:07 GMT
#2770
On December 21 2011 17:52 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 17:49 Iplaythings wrote:
On December 21 2011 16:04 Ryalnos wrote:
On December 21 2011 15:53 barbsq wrote:
On December 21 2011 15:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Riot, please buff Karma.

-Thx.


karma's actually pretty stronk >.>


Well then they can make her secret OP so we can take advantage until everyone else realizes ~~.

Fed irelia + farmed karma.
kekekekeke

Fed Irelia+Fed Ori better though.


Depends on the game, and team comps, really.
Karma is like the most retarded champ on earth if you can make a fight last long enough. (which is also something irelia wants too since she needs time to deal her true damage consistently)
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 09:13:35
December 21 2011 09:10 GMT
#2771
True, but nothing is as fun on putting your ball on a fed irelia(could be any fed tanky with a gapcloser though) who just charges in 1v5 and you R W their entire team.
On another note, anyone here who plays a looot of jax? Would you rebuy your dodge runes or just go flat armour? It's more for the damage reduction since there's no real problem getting any dodge procs while you have your tabis, might need them pretabi though.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Makavw
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia165 Posts
December 21 2011 09:17 GMT
#2772
On December 21 2011 13:37 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
ah ok. I guess I was laning vs bad tryndameres then. Who should be able to beat tryn in lane?

Garen poops all over trynd 24/7 unless he gets ganks. Akali does that as well
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 21 2011 09:25 GMT
#2773
On December 21 2011 18:17 Makavw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 13:37 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
ah ok. I guess I was laning vs bad tryndameres then. Who should be able to beat tryn in lane?

Garen poops all over trynd 24/7 unless he gets ganks. Akali does that as well

Jax shits so hard on trynd it's not even funny, just needs tabis at 6.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 21 2011 09:47 GMT
#2774
wow i just witnessed an ahri carry a 99% loss vs a 10-0 vayne to a win
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 21 2011 09:49 GMT
#2775
On December 21 2011 18:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wow i just witnessed an ahri carry a 99% loss vs a 10-0 vayne to a win

Just press R 3 times and get a kill dont even need to target anyone so dumb.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 10:08:42
December 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#2776
Doesn't work when your Ahri does this to get Heimerdinger in the middle of fed Trynd and Voli (well, she got him, but they got the game).
Regarding LW, can't it simply be built earlier on AD casters like Garen, Panth, Riven once you've got a BT or something for your AD scaling, and the enemies start stacking armour?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#2777
On December 21 2011 18:57 Alaric wrote:
Doesn't work when your Ahri do this to get Heimerdinger in the middle of fed Trynd an dVoli (well, she got him, but they got the game).
Regarding LW, can't it simply be built earlier on AD casters like Garen, Panth, Riven once you've got a BT or something for your AD scaling, and the enemies start stacking armor?

Sometimes, more bloodthirsters are better.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 10:48:27
December 21 2011 10:44 GMT
#2778
On December 21 2011 13:26 NeoIllusions wrote:
saint rolling kids at 1200 elo as a 16 0 2 Shaco in 22 minutes. All is right in the world.

Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 13:22 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
In the top lane matchup - Nasus vs tryn - who is supposed to have the advantage? Also how should you optimally open for both of them?


Trynd should have an advantage at all stages. He poses more of a thread at any point during the laning phase as well as early team fights. Nas wins if he somehow obtains more farm than Trynd at late game and Trynd has been setback a great deal.
At equal farm, Trynd is still more of a threat.


I don't totally agree with this. If trynd destroys the laning phase sure, trynd dominates games when he comes fed out of a solo lane with enough levels to make him hard to kill while still building all damage. If it's even or trynd dies more than Nasus due to ganks I'd much prefer having nasus because all you need is shurelyas and glacial to just permanently cast wither on tryndamere and considering most of them don't even get mercs it kinda counters him outright because he's not tanky and I feel like nasus' w straight up counters any burst and chasing power he has while he has ultimate ready.

Nasus is really always useful with 40% cdr even if he doesn't do a lot of damage W is the most powerful ms/as slow in the game and it's up almost permanently against someone without mercs. He also provides free amourpen and is naturally one of the tankiest champs and has good base damage from the same ultimate. (I rarely see AD carries get mercs as well, but perhaps they'd get cleanse or QSS for the first 5 seconds).

It really comes down to top lane ganks IMO. Trynd is hard to gank but then again Nasus is really good at supporting ganks with wither. If a good counter gank comes off it's a win for trynd but it's not a sure fire bet either because Nasus with ultimate is basically unkillable in a 2v2 so is trynd so one of the junglers is going to die and it depends on what the junglers are.

I feel like the whole underfed Nasus = useless sentiment comes from people just rushing trinity with no CDR and then rushing in rambo and expecting everything to work out. There's no reason to put yourself in any danger on Nasus when you have a long ranged slow the only time you want to go in range of their carries is if they're already in range of your team which means they walked towards you and closer to your team instead of just you running solo into their team and getting bursted while your team isn't ready to react. If you slow someone you can either force a flash if your damage can threaten a kill from range or else make them initiate to save the guy. It's really hard to run away when withers almost always ready and you have shurelyas. Maybe if the target has mercs but if he doesn't he's really screwed.
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
December 21 2011 11:10 GMT
#2779
slayer91 is 100% correct in his analysis

nasus just has a lot of great skills for fighting, especially against people who (a) need to close a gap to do their damage, and (b) rely on auto-attacks to do their damage

a nasus with low farm is still very effective. just because nasus got a solo doesn't mean he has to have 1000 damage by 10 minutes. think more like singed/galio type solos, less like irelia/panth type solos. the former 2 do decent damage but are picked more for their teamfight abilities. people need to see nasus the same way - if given proper farm he'll wreck 1v5 (much like galio and singed can!) but even without totally crushing his lane, smart play can make use of nasus' extremely versatile skillset



and to whomever was asking about trynd counters, i think tiger udyr is very strong against trynd
would you ever miss it?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 21 2011 12:11 GMT
#2780
Hai gaiz,

Does anyone have a level 30 account that they no longer use and are willing to donate away for free?
I have a Korean friend looking to transfer any level 30 account to the KR server.

Doesn't matter how much IP/Runes the account has, he can buy that himself. He just needs a level 30 account so he doesn't have to grind a level 1 to 30 so he can scrim on the Korean servers with his team asap.

Please PM me if you have one that you're willing to part with. Thanks.
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