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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 20 2011 20:25 GMT
#2541
On December 21 2011 05:08 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 05:06 JackDino wrote:
On December 21 2011 05:04 tobi9999 wrote:
Tristana Ashe / Corki Ashe / Sona Ashe

gg 1 shot

if they check bushes at start of game that is.

Some random ass troll picked support Ashe because he didn't want to support. I played Corki, we won lane against Sona/Vayne duo queue because I first blooded them. Then at level 6, once she landedult then an auto + volley, they would be taken to like 60%, I would just valk in and ult+q and auto for all of their health.

Was hilarious even though ashe died tons of times like a retard.

That Ashe crit is #1 for instagibbing DoubleLift's

Mao/shaco are far better for that, run into 4-6 sapplings/boxes, lane over.


No they aren't
No one is dumb enough to face check bushes against that lane. Against Ashe/Corki or something it's reasonable because you don't except teh 1 shot.

oh wait..... this is league of legends of course there are people dumb enough T_T

Everyone knows ashe has a crit arrow @ lvl1, facechecking against it is as retarded as running into a garen brush(Garen #1 support free sustain free dmg zone people out of brush dont need wards).
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 20 2011 20:39 GMT
#2542
On December 21 2011 05:25 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 05:08 tobi9999 wrote:
On December 21 2011 05:06 JackDino wrote:
On December 21 2011 05:04 tobi9999 wrote:
Tristana Ashe / Corki Ashe / Sona Ashe

gg 1 shot

if they check bushes at start of game that is.

Some random ass troll picked support Ashe because he didn't want to support. I played Corki, we won lane against Sona/Vayne duo queue because I first blooded them. Then at level 6, once she landedult then an auto + volley, they would be taken to like 60%, I would just valk in and ult+q and auto for all of their health.

Was hilarious even though ashe died tons of times like a retard.

That Ashe crit is #1 for instagibbing DoubleLift's

Mao/shaco are far better for that, run into 4-6 sapplings/boxes, lane over.


No they aren't
No one is dumb enough to face check bushes against that lane. Against Ashe/Corki or something it's reasonable because you don't except teh 1 shot.

oh wait..... this is league of legends of course there are people dumb enough T_T

Everyone knows ashe has a crit arrow @ lvl1, facechecking against it is as retarded as running into a garen brush(Garen #1 support free sustain free dmg zone people out of brush dont need wards).


If people never checked the bush against Ashe....

Chauster/Missy duo would have 0% win rate..... And it obviously doesn't since Missy is like plat
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Shakedown
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2 Posts
December 20 2011 20:42 GMT
#2543
I don't find early-game strats bot lane to be too intimidating bot lane with cait/graves.

Cait's OP range means that as long as you ward bush you either cs normally, or they try to zone and you just auto them until they back off.

Graves burst is so strong that you can go toe-to-toe with them provided you also have some kind of strong cc in your partner, plus the utility in his kit with dash/bomb lets you dodge a lot of things or save your lane-mate by blinding them after they initiate.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 20 2011 20:44 GMT
#2544
On December 21 2011 05:25 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 05:08 tobi9999 wrote:
On December 21 2011 05:06 JackDino wrote:
On December 21 2011 05:04 tobi9999 wrote:
Tristana Ashe / Corki Ashe / Sona Ashe

gg 1 shot

if they check bushes at start of game that is.

Some random ass troll picked support Ashe because he didn't want to support. I played Corki, we won lane against Sona/Vayne duo queue because I first blooded them. Then at level 6, once she landedult then an auto + volley, they would be taken to like 60%, I would just valk in and ult+q and auto for all of their health.

Was hilarious even though ashe died tons of times like a retard.

That Ashe crit is #1 for instagibbing DoubleLift's

Mao/shaco are far better for that, run into 4-6 sapplings/boxes, lane over.


No they aren't
No one is dumb enough to face check bushes against that lane. Against Ashe/Corki or something it's reasonable because you don't except teh 1 shot.

oh wait..... this is league of legends of course there are people dumb enough T_T

Everyone knows ashe has a crit arrow @ lvl1, facechecking against it is as retarded as running into a garen brush(Garen #1 support free sustain free dmg zone people out of brush dont need wards).


Actually I think a lot of people forget Ashe even has a passive. When the meta was AD mid it was probably better known as avoiding Ashe's first auto was fairly important, but in the current meta with all of the newer, stronger laning ADs I imagine the knowledge is not so common.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 20:48:09
December 20 2011 20:46 GMT
#2545
On December 21 2011 05:13 Alaric wrote:
Ashe-Sona bot, Galio mid, Maokai jungle, real terror. So much cc, AoE and initiation.
Also, Galio got a Kassadin. Hilarity ensued.


Update: no terror at all when Galio tries to trade against tryndamere top and him and mid chicken off of a level 1 4v2 Sona/Galio/Maokai/Ahri vs Trynda/Heimer.
Heimer with blue real terror, tho, so I still learnt something to that effect.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 20 2011 20:56 GMT
#2546
On December 21 2011 05:24 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 02:05 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 21 2011 02:04 emucxg wrote:
chinese have found a new meta:

always give red buff to mid AP carry, especially when you are karthus.
karthus Q with red buff is OP!

Ive seen Scarra grab lvl 1 red buff on kat. That shit is pretty scary.

i've been feeding my friend double buff as vlad, most troll bullshit imaginable. Cannot fail to carry as that.


I've been feeding my blue to vlad at level one with Shyvanna. He gets his q down to like a 9 second cd or something stupid early.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 20 2011 21:03 GMT
#2547
How did hotshot fall down to 1800 lol?
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 21:20:15
December 20 2011 21:11 GMT
#2548
On December 21 2011 06:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
How did hotshot fall down to 1800 lol?

Can only queue with duo, needs a whole team to carry him

Watching his stream, he doesn't seem to take it seriously, just kind of fools around/plays half ass like he's spacing out most games
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 20 2011 21:28 GMT
#2549
On December 21 2011 06:11 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 06:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
How did hotshot fall down to 1800 lol?

Can only queue with duo, needs a whole team to carry him

Watching his stream, he doesn't seem to take it seriously, just kind of fools around/plays half ass like he's spacing out most games


The sad part is that Saint is higher doing hard random jungling and is higher than him though.

watchign his jungle anivia made me laugh

idk what is up with Hotshot and CLG

they looked so bad at IEM Kiev qualifiers. Sort of redeemed themselves at NESL premier league, but part of me just thinks that it was because Rain Man was literally drunk.

hope they let him get away from top lane, he seems to only be able to play heroes that have a lot to do with brainless pushing :/ ie phoenix udyr chogath nidalee.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 20 2011 21:31 GMT
#2550
I like how Hotshot is streaming sainvicious's stream. Hotshot's stream's so bad, needs saintvicious to stream for him to get viewers. :> I kid, I kid.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
December 20 2011 21:31 GMT
#2551
Lmao, watching Xpecial's stream at level 1 mid as Ahri he tries to last hit a minion "Dodge"

How is that even possible?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 21:36:05
December 20 2011 21:35 GMT
#2552
On December 21 2011 06:31 BlackMagister wrote:
Lmao, watching Xpecial's stream at level 1 mid as Ahri he tries to last hit a minion "Dodge"

How is that even possible?

It's a weird bug that has been around for quite a while... Sometimes a minion "dodges" your autoattacks, and sometimes you "miss" minions. It's pretty annoying, but rare.

Well, I suppose it's a bug. Both options - bug or intentional - are pretty sad though.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 20 2011 21:43 GMT
#2553
On December 21 2011 02:36 JackDino wrote:
If you're getting vamp quints you're better of going offense so you get more ap and vamp more off your quints instead of going util, getting mostly trash and vamping for a bit more early. Vamp quints just give you some sustain, it's like saying taking the lifesteal in offense is bad unless you use lifesteal quints.


If you're going to go offense you might as well just do AP quints. The only reason I'd get spell vamp quints on Kennen would be if I wanted a farm lane, otherwise I'll take the damage boost as opposed to getting 5 HP from every time I Q with spell vamp quints.

I don't like the idea of spell vamp quints on Kennen. You're gonna get revolver which gives you plenty of sustain. I'd rather just have more damage at level 1 than have virtually no sustain with vamp quints.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 20 2011 21:44 GMT
#2554
On December 21 2011 05:13 Alaric wrote:
Ashe-Sona bot, Galio mid, Maokai jungle, real terror. So much cc, AoE and initiation.
Also, Galio got a Kassadin. Hilarity ensued.


It's hilarious when Kassadin (with like 1/4 the cs of Galio and no items) goes to gank bot, and Galio TP's in -> flash ult on his face.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 20 2011 21:50 GMT
#2555
Any thoughts on Gman's lanewick with a doran's ring opening? Just seems odd as an autoattack champ but I guess Q is low cd relatively. He gets Sorc boots, Wit's End, Glacial -> Frozen Heart. Sometimes Chalice against AP lane. Is it more a team comp thing?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 20 2011 21:55 GMT
#2556
On December 21 2011 06:50 mordek wrote:
Any thoughts on Gman's lanewick with a doran's ring opening? Just seems odd as an autoattack champ but I guess Q is low cd relatively. He gets Sorc boots, Wit's End, Glacial -> Frozen Heart. Sometimes Chalice against AP lane. Is it more a team comp thing?


Lanewick is supposed to build magic pen / hybrid because the vast majority of his damage will come from Q + R + wit's end. Q is a ton of mana early, which is why so many Lanewicks rush Chalice. WW is supposed to be built CDR + tanky, with magic pen from runes/masteries when possible (which you really can't if you jungle, but if fine in lane).

Personally I don't think Doran ring is good, cloth+5 or boots+3 and then rush chalice would be better. The AP on DRing is useless after a few levels, and once you have Chalice you won't have mana issues.
br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
December 20 2011 21:56 GMT
#2557
whats a good 1300 elo stomper, morde?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 20 2011 21:58 GMT
#2558
On December 21 2011 06:56 br0fivE wrote:
whats a good 1300 elo stomper, morde?

Counterpicking your top lane if possible with anything, and I don't mean picking something that does well vs a certain champ but something that completely crushes the other champ, which shouldn't be too hard @ 1300. Akali still strong:p
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 20 2011 21:59 GMT
#2559
On December 21 2011 06:50 mordek wrote:
Any thoughts on Gman's lanewick with a doran's ring opening? Just seems odd as an autoattack champ but I guess Q is low cd relatively. He gets Sorc boots, Wit's End, Glacial -> Frozen Heart. Sometimes Chalice against AP lane. Is it more a team comp thing?

warwick has sustain in his q as long as he has mana. Doran's gives him mana regen, ap (for q damage), and hp, all things lanewick could use. It is the most common lanewick start.
On December 21 2011 06:28 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 06:11 NotSorry wrote:
On December 21 2011 06:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
How did hotshot fall down to 1800 lol?

Can only queue with duo, needs a whole team to carry him

Watching his stream, he doesn't seem to take it seriously, just kind of fools around/plays half ass like he's spacing out most games


The sad part is that Saint is higher doing hard random jungling and is higher than him though.

watchign his jungle anivia made me laugh

idk what is up with Hotshot and CLG

they looked so bad at IEM Kiev qualifiers. Sort of redeemed themselves at NESL premier league, but part of me just thinks that it was because Rain Man was literally drunk.

hope they let him get away from top lane, he seems to only be able to play heroes that have a lot to do with brainless pushing :/ ie phoenix udyr chogath nidalee.

I think they think that trolling in a ranked game doesn't matter because solo queue is so different from 5's. I don't know why they think that trolling consistently for weeks is a good idea and it won't effect their play in 5's. Practice how you play.

Also what happened to all the european teams? They just disappeared off the map.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 22:00:31
December 20 2011 21:59 GMT
#2560
On December 21 2011 06:55 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 06:50 mordek wrote:
Any thoughts on Gman's lanewick with a doran's ring opening? Just seems odd as an autoattack champ but I guess Q is low cd relatively. He gets Sorc boots, Wit's End, Glacial -> Frozen Heart. Sometimes Chalice against AP lane. Is it more a team comp thing?


Lanewick is supposed to build magic pen / hybrid because the vast majority of his damage will come from Q + R + wit's end. Q is a ton of mana early, which is why so many Lanewicks rush Chalice. WW is supposed to be built CDR + tanky, with magic pen from runes/masteries when possible (which you really can't if you jungle, but if fine in lane).

Personally I don't think Doran ring is good, cloth+5 or boots+3 and then rush chalice would be better. The AP on DRing is useless after a few levels, and once you have Chalice you won't have mana issues.

Thanks. I almost exclusively jungled him (old jungle) and always went Madred's/Boots into Wriggle's and Wit's and it varies from there. Basically your sustain is coming from being able to Q over and over and never die as opposed to lifesteal from attack speed?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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