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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
December 20 2011 16:48 GMT
#2501
Sion is also a good level 1 blue buff holder.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 16:49:21
December 20 2011 16:48 GMT
#2502
On December 21 2011 01:38 57 Corvette wrote:
So i am trying to set up a new teamcomp, for me and my duo queue partner.
It will be Shen jungle (after the next patch cause shen jungle is going to be trolologood), and a mid that can be really annoying with an early bluebuff (Shen doesn't need it at all).

What mid laner will most benifit by level 1 bluebuff?


Zilean or Cassiopeia. More mana/CDR translates directly into more/better harass for them. Really, most APs would love a level 1 blue, but those two can probably get the most mileage out of it.

On December 21 2011 01:41 Slayer91 wrote:
I have a complete lack of faith in shen jungle when slow junglers are just getting kicked around in the new jungle. Shen can do what he does from jungle while farming a lane and zoning some poor sap in top lane.

You can do the same thing with ree sing and use early ganks to dominate top and bot as well.


While PBE jungle Shen is pretty decent, I think this is a fair point. Everything that makes Shen so stupidly good in the jungle probably will make him an even more stupidly good toplane champion.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 16:53:58
December 20 2011 16:50 GMT
#2503
For Kennen

It depends a lot on how you play. I think spell vamp quints are good if you start dshield, since you probably won't be going back for a while (and since you don't have boots, you need to farm up revolver and boots instead of just revolver).

AP quints are good if you want to zone early. For someone like Mordekaiser you want to send him back as much as you can before he gets a revolver so I'd get AP quints against him. I haven't tried HP quints but I think they'd be good against more bursty mids. I know some people get movespeed too but I don't really like them. They're probably good for teamfights though.

I like the 10 energy in utility just because 210 energy lets you QWE at level 3 and 4 if you need to stun someone to escape a gank or something. If you level QWQ instead of QWE then it's a bit less useful. Movespeed is good too.

I think 9/9/8 with the rest of the points in whatever is a decent alternative. I'm not a huge fan of the AP side in offense.

edit: actually 9 not 8 in utility. he's not RELIANT on buffs but both blue and red are amazing on him. it's pretty much impossible to kill a double buff Kennen with Rylai's since he kites ridiculously well.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 20 2011 16:56 GMT
#2504
Pant rapes targets without armour, Pant Leona great lane. Gangplank great toplane, destroys baddies without armour. Gangplank great support. Why not go Pant GP bot and farm kills, always Q and E for kills.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 20 2011 16:58 GMT
#2505
Cass lvl 1 blue true terror for sure, get 5 stacks on passive up and you can spam whole day with blue buff. If that don't push the other guy out of lane, I don't know what aside from disconnecting does.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
December 20 2011 17:04 GMT
#2506
chinese have found a new meta:

always give red buff to mid AP carry, especially when you are karthus.
karthus Q with red buff is OP!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 20 2011 17:05 GMT
#2507
On December 21 2011 02:04 emucxg wrote:
chinese have found a new meta:

always give red buff to mid AP carry, especially when you are karthus.
karthus Q with red buff is OP!

Ive seen Scarra grab lvl 1 red buff on kat. That shit is pretty scary.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 20 2011 17:10 GMT
#2508
On December 21 2011 01:50 starfries wrote:
For Kennen

It depends a lot on how you play. I think spell vamp quints are good if you start dshield, since you probably won't be going back for a while (and since you don't have boots, you need to farm up revolver and boots instead of just revolver).

AP quints are good if you want to zone early. For someone like Mordekaiser you want to send him back as much as you can before he gets a revolver so I'd get AP quints against him. I haven't tried HP quints but I think they'd be good against more bursty mids. I know some people get movespeed too but I don't really like them. They're probably good for teamfights though.

I like the 10 energy in utility just because 210 energy lets you QWE at level 3 and 4 if you need to stun someone to escape a gank or something. If you level QWQ instead of QWE then it's a bit less useful. Movespeed is good too.

I think 9/9/8 with the rest of the points in whatever is a decent alternative. I'm not a huge fan of the AP side in offense.

edit: actually 9 not 8 in utility. he's not RELIANT on buffs but both blue and red are amazing on him. it's pretty much impossible to kill a double buff Kennen with Rylai's since he kites ridiculously well.

Do something like this:
21/9/0
Notice the funky AD stats taken.
"BUT I PLAY AP KENNEN"
Sure, but Kennen's autoattack harrass is pretty nasty at early levels.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 20 2011 17:11 GMT
#2509
On December 21 2011 01:56 JackDino wrote:
Pant rapes targets without armour, Pant Leona great lane. Gangplank great toplane, destroys baddies without armour. Gangplank great support. Why not go Pant GP bot and farm kills, always Q and E for kills.

more stuns better with pant than GP bullshit and also I think GP sucks without items.

pant taric pretty good if your duo queue partner is too cheap to buy Leona just to play that lane -_-.
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 20 2011 17:17 GMT
#2510
On December 21 2011 02:10 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 01:50 starfries wrote:
For Kennen

It depends a lot on how you play. I think spell vamp quints are good if you start dshield, since you probably won't be going back for a while (and since you don't have boots, you need to farm up revolver and boots instead of just revolver).

AP quints are good if you want to zone early. For someone like Mordekaiser you want to send him back as much as you can before he gets a revolver so I'd get AP quints against him. I haven't tried HP quints but I think they'd be good against more bursty mids. I know some people get movespeed too but I don't really like them. They're probably good for teamfights though.

I like the 10 energy in utility just because 210 energy lets you QWE at level 3 and 4 if you need to stun someone to escape a gank or something. If you level QWQ instead of QWE then it's a bit less useful. Movespeed is good too.

I think 9/9/8 with the rest of the points in whatever is a decent alternative. I'm not a huge fan of the AP side in offense.

edit: actually 9 not 8 in utility. he's not RELIANT on buffs but both blue and red are amazing on him. it's pretty much impossible to kill a double buff Kennen with Rylai's since he kites ridiculously well.

Do something like this:
21/9/0
Notice the funky AD stats taken.
"BUT I PLAY AP KENNEN"
Sure, but Kennen's autoattack harrass is pretty nasty at early levels.

I actually get AD masteries when I go 21 offense huehuehue
but instead of alacrity I get sunder.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 20 2011 17:20 GMT
#2511
On December 21 2011 02:10 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 01:50 starfries wrote:
For Kennen

It depends a lot on how you play. I think spell vamp quints are good if you start dshield, since you probably won't be going back for a while (and since you don't have boots, you need to farm up revolver and boots instead of just revolver).

AP quints are good if you want to zone early. For someone like Mordekaiser you want to send him back as much as you can before he gets a revolver so I'd get AP quints against him. I haven't tried HP quints but I think they'd be good against more bursty mids. I know some people get movespeed too but I don't really like them. They're probably good for teamfights though.

I like the 10 energy in utility just because 210 energy lets you QWE at level 3 and 4 if you need to stun someone to escape a gank or something. If you level QWQ instead of QWE then it's a bit less useful. Movespeed is good too.

I think 9/9/8 with the rest of the points in whatever is a decent alternative. I'm not a huge fan of the AP side in offense.

edit: actually 9 not 8 in utility. he's not RELIANT on buffs but both blue and red are amazing on him. it's pretty much impossible to kill a double buff Kennen with Rylai's since he kites ridiculously well.

Do something like this:
21/9/0
Notice the funky AD stats taken.
"BUT I PLAY AP KENNEN"
Sure, but Kennen's autoattack harrass is pretty nasty at early levels.


Those are good masteries for Kennen if you're playing aggressive in lane. Which I think you should, Kennen is a really strong duelist.

But if someone is getting vamp quints they have to get the spell vamp in utility. Which means less offensive masteries and is another reason I think the spell vamp quints are a deceptive trap (unless you want to play a boring farm lane as Kennen).
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 20 2011 17:29 GMT
#2512
On December 21 2011 02:20 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 02:10 spinesheath wrote:
On December 21 2011 01:50 starfries wrote:
For Kennen

It depends a lot on how you play. I think spell vamp quints are good if you start dshield, since you probably won't be going back for a while (and since you don't have boots, you need to farm up revolver and boots instead of just revolver).

AP quints are good if you want to zone early. For someone like Mordekaiser you want to send him back as much as you can before he gets a revolver so I'd get AP quints against him. I haven't tried HP quints but I think they'd be good against more bursty mids. I know some people get movespeed too but I don't really like them. They're probably good for teamfights though.

I like the 10 energy in utility just because 210 energy lets you QWE at level 3 and 4 if you need to stun someone to escape a gank or something. If you level QWQ instead of QWE then it's a bit less useful. Movespeed is good too.

I think 9/9/8 with the rest of the points in whatever is a decent alternative. I'm not a huge fan of the AP side in offense.

edit: actually 9 not 8 in utility. he's not RELIANT on buffs but both blue and red are amazing on him. it's pretty much impossible to kill a double buff Kennen with Rylai's since he kites ridiculously well.

Do something like this:
21/9/0
Notice the funky AD stats taken.
"BUT I PLAY AP KENNEN"
Sure, but Kennen's autoattack harrass is pretty nasty at early levels.


Those are good masteries for Kennen if you're playing aggressive in lane. Which I think you should, Kennen is a really strong duelist.

But if someone is getting vamp quints they have to get the spell vamp in utility. Which means less offensive masteries and is another reason I think the spell vamp quints are a deceptive trap (unless you want to play a boring farm lane as Kennen).

Why would you have to get the spell vamp mastery just because you get spell vamp quints? You don't have to hit a certain sweet spot like some jungle setups, so you can consider the cost/return for masteries and runes independently.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 20 2011 17:36 GMT
#2513
If you're getting vamp quints you're better of going offense so you get more ap and vamp more off your quints instead of going util, getting mostly trash and vamping for a bit more early. Vamp quints just give you some sustain, it's like saying taking the lifesteal in offense is bad unless you use lifesteal quints.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 20 2011 17:41 GMT
#2514
I thought the general consensus on kennen was that the flat energy bonus was too good to pass up?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 20 2011 17:48 GMT
#2515
Panth/Wukong hilariously bursty everytime your shit's off cd.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 20 2011 17:51 GMT
#2516
On December 21 2011 00:18 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 23:23 r.Evo wrote:
On December 20 2011 23:17 Sabin010 wrote:
Urgot Blitz or Urgot Janna? Both you get that combo at level six to supress a guy into the tower and silence or blow him and supress under the turret. Janna gives the AD steroid, while blitz just gets hooks and pop ups. I think Janna might be better, but I mostly play Urgot in a solo lane so I'm not sure who his best supports are.


If someone is good enough at Blitz that he constantly gets hooks I'd rather play Vayne with him tbh. Janna/Urgot is a weird lane imo, since it's rare that Jannas can assist you in hitting your E like Ali/Taric can. If she's good enough to do that (/you're good enough at Urgot to not rely on that at all) I think that lane might rape, too.

However, when I play Urgot solo Q I ask for Taric > Alistar like 100% of the time. Janna/Durpgot takes so much more skill to beat up the other side than those combos imoimo.


Soraka wouldn't be bad either cause she can feed you a ton of mana, which turns into a lot of knives. You could even start longsword and one potion and get away with a later tear of the goddess in that lane.

I ran Cho+Urgot bot lane. We wrecked pretty hard. His ulti would pop, then I knocked up + silence + feast, no way the fucker was getting away :D Then again the lane was fairly easy.... Wukong and twitch.
liftlift > tsm
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 20 2011 17:53 GMT
#2517
On December 20 2011 20:36 Unentschieden wrote:
Remember that the Chrismas Runes are available. T3 for 75% the IP!

Where are these runes you speak of?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 20 2011 17:54 GMT
#2518
If we are talking about cheesy early game lanes, you gotta factor in Garen/Maokai.

Level 2 or 3, kill anyone.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
December 20 2011 18:02 GMT
#2519
On December 21 2011 00:16 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 23:37 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
OMG. I just saw a ryze go deathcap first(after tear). Like, not even an archangel, a freaking deathcap first.
Good thing, he was on the other team.
Bad thing, I was laughing so hard that I let him kill me. XD

How would archangel first be any better? :/

I didn't say archangel first was better. But deathcap on ryze is even more retarded than an archangel.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 20 2011 18:20 GMT
#2520
I think if you just go to the store, you can sort by IP and some of them are lower price. I can't be sure though since a lot of the runes are naturally lower price.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
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