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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On December 02 2011 06:47 dnastyx wrote: ahahaha people really think it's easier to snowball to victory in DoTA than it is in LoL? I think they are confusing snowballing with managing to stay ahead. Either that, or I just used to be significantly better at DotA than I am at LoL right now. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On December 02 2011 06:43 Brees wrote: well you need a semi specific rune page for shaco and you'll need to look up all the routes and stuff for jungling so he's much harder to pick up, they are about the same skill cap. What is an optimal runes page for shaco? @snaphoo I used to play mostly ap but now I'm playing more bruisers and solo tops like nasus, GP and ww. I pretty comfortable with laning yes. The only role I don't play much is ranged AD cuz 1) my ping is really high ~ 450ms 2) mostly u can't rely on people to peel for you. Weirdly enough I usually don't have any problem farming with melee ad but I still struggle with ranged. like with nasus I've started getting 90%+ farm if I'm 1v1 solo top and really focused. Also I do need to start focusing on learning jungle. Maybe I'll get nidalee now then buy shaco and udyr next. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
SR Jungle Cloth Boots Rageblade/Wit's End, optional Phage, if things are going well force of atmogs, if things are going badly cheap tank items Dominion Srs Merc Treads + pots Phage Giantbelt Recurve Chainmail Wit's End more dps: Ionic Spark or Rageblade or Gunblade or Entropy more tank: FoN, another Belt, Sunfire, Randuins eventually Mallet if you run out of item slots and don't want entropy/triforce or REALLY need that slow and Atmas as a 6th item if you can't think of anything better Dominion Theme Core: Ionic Spark, Malady Storm shield every time it's up 2 of (Trinity Force, Wit's End, Gunblade, Rageblade, Bloodrazor, Nashor's, Lightbringer) | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:13 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: thanks for all the recommendations guys :D. TL is the best. What is an optimal runes page for shaco? @snaphoo I used to play mostly ap but now I'm playing more bruisers and solo tops like nasus, GP and ww. I pretty comfortable with laning yes. The only role I don't play much is ranged AD cuz 1) my ping is really high ~ 450ms 2) mostly u can't rely on people to peel for you. Weirdly enough I usually don't have any problem farming with melee ad but I still struggle with ranged. like with nasus I've started getting 90%+ farm if I'm 1v1 solo top and really focused. Also I do need to start focusing on learning jungle. Maybe I'll get nidalee now then buy shaco and udyr next. a pretty good shaco runepage is armor pen reds, attack damage quints/yellows, flat cd blues or mr scaling blues depending on how good you are at shaco, might want to start with the mr first | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:13 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: What is an optimal runes page for shaco? 3x AS Red 6x ArP Red 9x Armor Yellow 9x AS Blue 3x AD Quint Edit: that's before the jungle ''remake.'' You can now take 2 AP Quints and 1 EXP Quint and have double buffs and level 3 at 2:18. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:23 Shiv. wrote: 3x AS Red 6x ArP Red 9x Armor Yellow 9x AS Blue 3x AD Quint Edit: that's before the jungle ''remake.'' You can now take 2 AP Quints and 1 EXP Quint and have double buffs and level 3 at 2:18. Hmm I have all of them except AS blues. I'm using scaling MR blues for all champs for now. That shouldn't be top problematic tho with the new masteries and jungle right? | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Wolves Blue Wraiths Wolves Red Golems No leashes, 26/0/0 (lv 26 smurf), Surge Smite, random runes I had lying around (i think it was mostly mana regen and hpregen with gold/10 quints) Clears with 0 pots left and 540 gold in 4:40ish. Has to b before ganking. Starts cloth + 5pots Skills WEWQ (hits level 4 off of final golems) | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:06 Shiv. wrote: I think they are confusing snowballing with managing to stay ahead. Either that, or I just used to be significantly better at DotA than I am at LoL right now. I don't really play dota so could someone explain to me how LoL is just as snowbally as DotA? I agree in that when I watched the dota2 tournament I didn't nothing anything particularly different from LoL tournaments, all tournaments had games that were and were not close. But for casual play it seems pretty obvious to me that a faceless void getting a full build is far more snowbally than *any* single champion in league of legends. And if you're talking the teams overall it's far easier for a single hypercarry to snowball due to some good play by *one* player than for an entire team to avoid herping the derp in order to snowball together. It's just simple probability, if nothing else. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:23 Shiv. wrote: 3x AS Red 6x ArP Red 9x Armor Yellow 9x AS Blue 3x AD Quint Edit: that's before the jungle ''remake.'' You can now take 2 AP Quints and 1 EXP Quint and have double buffs and level 3 at 2:18. Actually you can get double buffs without the ap quints, just that you have to place your boxes at blue perfectly. They ap quints are helpful and reduces the margin of error but it isn't mandatory provided you have perfect box placement. You need exactly all the shots from 4 boxes to take down blue when you aren't there so it will fail if even one box shoots the small minions. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:39 NotSorry wrote: Question about tribunal, when do you get the rewards and how? Is it just added to your account at some point? Generally how long does it take to receive the rewards? You'll get an email in about a week that will tell you how many cases you correctly voted on (agreed with the others judging it) and what your IP reward is. It's overall quite laughably low. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:43 phyvo wrote: I don't really play dota so could someone explain to me how LoL is just as snowbally as DotA? I agree in that when I watched the dota2 tournament I didn't nothing anything particularly different from LoL tournaments, all tournaments had games that were and were not close. But for casual play it seems pretty obvious to me that a faceless void getting a full build is far more snowbally than *any* single champion in league of legends. And if you're talking the teams overall it's far easier for a single hypercarry to snowball due to some good play by *one* player than for an entire team to avoid herping the derp in order to snowball together. It's just simple probability, if nothing else. The difference is that people are comparing high level play to noob play. In league of legends it's much harder to just 1v5 the enemy team. However, there are some pub stomp 1v5 carries in DotA that if you get fed you can just outright win the game no matter how bad your team is. Once you get to a reasonable skill level though this just completely disappears entirely from both games. I'm not saying you can't 1v5 in league, but it's definitely much much harder to get to that point unless you're a lot better than the other team. A fully decked out carry can 1v5 in DotA, but that's an extreme situation that is only after careful farm(play) all game to get to that point, along with everything in the team fight going the right way for your team. It's not so much of a snowball as good play. | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On December 02 2011 07:39 NotSorry wrote: Question about tribunal, when do you get the rewards and how? Is it just added to your account at some point? Generally how long does it take to receive the rewards? Usually in a week or so after you have review some cases(there may be a day but i havent notice witch one) you get an email telling you something like... The tribunal has agree with your decision in 5 of 6 cases (or something like that) you get 50IP for your service. Then you log in and you have the extra IP. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I do not understand how you carry people in this game. Like...how can I make failures not fail? I come from Starcraft 2 background where I was high Masters with both Zerg and Protoss (1K August) and I REALLY hate losing. I thrive on being better and I have fun winning. However I am finding it increasingly difficult to stay level headed when forced to play with trolls, leavers, and AFKers game after game. It is demoralizing to drop 150 ELO in a row because of people like that. I pick things up fast so I need some advice on which champs are best for carrying. I usually turn to Monkey/Pirate top lane, Gragas or Swain mid (unless Morgana unbanned), Udyr or Skarner jungle. If forced to AD i play Kog and Vayne. Is there anyone better? I am really, really frustrated. I don't think I am in ELO hell nor do I think it exists I just don't understand how I can carry myself out of these games. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
Damn it really isn't shit | ||
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
On December 02 2011 08:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The difference is that people are comparing high level play to noob play. In league of legends it's much harder to just 1v5 the enemy team. However, there are some pub stomp 1v5 carries in DotA that if you get fed you can just outright win the game no matter how bad your team is. Once you get to a reasonable skill level though this just completely disappears entirely from both games. I'm not saying you can't 1v5 in league, but it's definitely much much harder to get to that point unless you're a lot better than the other team. A fully decked out carry can 1v5 in DotA, but that's an extreme situation that is only after careful farm(play) all game to get to that point, along with everything in the team fight going the right way for your team. It's not so much of a snowball as good play. Than how would you describe the verb snowballing? If its not that you get an advantage and you build on it exponentially. The more advantage you have, the easier to get more. Thats snowball. Both games have it ofc, but you just described why dota has more. As i described above, weak towers give you even more snowbally behavior. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On December 02 2011 08:13 Bladeorade wrote: I was at 1306 ELO and have dropped 150. I do well all my games (not exaggerating) I don't think I have lost a lane, I feel like I have a good understanding of the game, my mechanics obviously need work but I still farm fairly well. I do not understand how you carry people in this game. Like...how can I make failures not fail? I come from Starcraft 2 background where I was high Masters with both Zerg and Protoss (1K August) and I REALLY hate losing. I thrive on being better and I have fun winning. However I am finding it increasingly difficult to stay level headed when forced to play with trolls, leavers, and AFKers game after game. It is demoralizing to drop 150 ELO in a row because of people like that. I pick things up fast so I need some advice on which champs are best for carrying. I usually turn to Monkey/Pirate top lane, Gragas or Swain mid (unless Morgana unbanned), Udyr or Skarner jungle. If forced to AD i play Kog and Vayne. Is there anyone better? I am really, really frustrated. I don't think I am in ELO hell nor do I think it exists I just don't understand how I can carry myself out of these games. Instead of trying to outplay your opponent, cheese them instead. Going 7/0 in the first 15 minutes is much better than being 20 cs up. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Always try to que with someone you trust and can help you out. Two heads better then one and can completely change what would be a defeat into narrow victory. Look for mistakes in enemy team. The worst thing you can do when you are behind is panic. Most players make mistakes, teams tend to go together in a group if so, avoid and push another lane(towers down mean victories easier) if they end up splitting up ratpack up and beat the crap out of that farmed carry then run off and take an objective in a fight(be it a tower dargon baron whatever) Ward. Warding can help so much and can often validate and influence a call you make. You know they are at x but if everyone can see them at X they'll more likely to go to X or avoid it pending on the situation. And when all else fails. Play Master Yi and dunk towers and avoid team fights. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 02 2011 08:35 TheKefka wrote: So..........what you guys think about Riot featuring Shushei? I dont like it. Its essentially Riot paying him. | ||
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