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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 11 2011 13:50 GMT
#3721
random thought... anyone tried spell vamp on Singed?
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 11 2011 13:53 GMT
#3722
On December 11 2011 22:50 starfries wrote:
random thought... anyone tried spell vamp on Singed?

Got like a revolver and a wota aaaaages ago, it's hilarious how much you heal if people run in your poison.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 11 2011 14:07 GMT
#3723
LoL must have the worst player base out there, I was thinking. I'm playing at 1600 which is what top 10.000? And I see people that lack absolute basic motorskills and decision making. The top 10.000 CS players, or top 10.000 WoW players even is 500 times better than these guys, not to talk about top 10.000 starcraft players. I wonder why.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 11 2011 14:07 GMT
#3724
It´s like Rylais, good but ultimately luxury. On Singed sustainability more likely would come from FoN since that makes you also run faster. Take a look at the Team, if there are others that could use it it´s great but not really necessary for singed himself.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22009 Posts
December 11 2011 14:12 GMT
#3725
On December 11 2011 23:07 Hynda wrote:
LoL must have the worst player base out there, I was thinking. I'm playing at 1600 which is what top 10.000? And I see people that lack absolute basic motorskills and decision making. The top 10.000 CS players, or top 10.000 WoW players even is 500 times better than these guys, not to talk about top 10.000 starcraft players. I wonder why.


Law of Averages plus being a teamgame.

When 11 million people play your game there will be a lot of really bad people.
When 4 people can carry 1 utterly bad person to a win he gets higher then he should be.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 11 2011 14:14 GMT
#3726
On December 11 2011 21:28 Bwaaaa wrote:
I didn't say that rylai's is bad on singed, I get it on him basically every game that I need the slow to get away from team fights late game. I was just a bit stunned that anyone could say that it was better than ROA (I may have overreacted). Personally I don't like getting it too early because it discourages people from chasing you and a FoN or frozen heart makes you tankier.



If you buy RoA you're delaying your rylais by 1710 gold. That's not ideal cus you want it for team fight trolling.
hi
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 14:53:58
December 11 2011 14:52 GMT
#3727
On December 11 2011 23:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 23:07 Hynda wrote:
LoL must have the worst player base out there, I was thinking. I'm playing at 1600 which is what top 10.000? And I see people that lack absolute basic motorskills and decision making. The top 10.000 CS players, or top 10.000 WoW players even is 500 times better than these guys, not to talk about top 10.000 starcraft players. I wonder why.


Law of Averages plus being a teamgame.

When 11 million people play your game there will be a lot of really bad people.
When 4 people can carry 1 utterly bad person to a win he gets higher then he should be.

But that should even out over 100s of games. I see people with 300+ games at 1600 that can't last hit, never ward, always run into super obvious traps ect. I don't know but I could never ever see a Master/Diamond (how many master players in the world are there?) do shit like that. I wouldn't even say a Silver League player would do those kinds of things, yet they manage to stay over 100's of games, that must mean that the rest of that 1600's are just as bad on average. Also the more players you have logicly your top 10.000 should be better than those with less players.
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 14:54:19
December 11 2011 14:53 GMT
#3728
An observation on my part, after moving from EU East to EU West my conclusion is that EU West has much more trolls with people not following ranked customs and also more importantly people at a specific ELO are much worse than the EU East counterpart. My estimate would be 150-200 elo worse than a person at the same ELO on EU East. Interesting I think and I really wonder why that is so. Meaning in my case people at 1.8k ELO on West actually would not be much better than 1.6k on East.
Meh
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
December 11 2011 15:19 GMT
#3729
On December 11 2011 23:52 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 23:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 11 2011 23:07 Hynda wrote:
LoL must have the worst player base out there, I was thinking. I'm playing at 1600 which is what top 10.000? And I see people that lack absolute basic motorskills and decision making. The top 10.000 CS players, or top 10.000 WoW players even is 500 times better than these guys, not to talk about top 10.000 starcraft players. I wonder why.


Law of Averages plus being a teamgame.

When 11 million people play your game there will be a lot of really bad people.
When 4 people can carry 1 utterly bad person to a win he gets higher then he should be.

But that should even out over 100s of games. I see people with 300+ games at 1600 that can't last hit, never ward, always run into super obvious traps ect. I don't know but I could never ever see a Master/Diamond (how many master players in the world are there?) do shit like that. I wouldn't even say a Silver League player would do those kinds of things, yet they manage to stay over 100's of games, that must mean that the rest of that 1600's are just as bad on average. Also the more players you have logicly your top 10.000 should be better than those with less players.



There are articles on TL about people that 6 pool and 4 gate to masters. It's completely possible to be at an inflated rating in SC2. Those players don't win tournaments or even look like other players "at their tier", but then again, neither do these inflated LoL players.

Also, everyone has "those" games. Sometimes you just can't help it but you're last hitting for shit or just derping or feeding. You could be fine in 99% of games, but that one game you just can't get out of your own way. For you, it's a super rare mistake. For the other 4 people? You're a terrible feeder at a ridiculously inflated ELO that you don't deserve.

Perspective, I guess. Now, that doesn't explain it all, but I mean, you're sampling very little of these people's gaming career.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 11 2011 15:22 GMT
#3730
On December 11 2011 22:50 starfries wrote:
random thought... anyone tried spell vamp on Singed?

I tried it once, too, and I was pretty disappointed by it...

Singed's poison is AoE, you don't heal a whole lot from it.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 11 2011 15:30 GMT
#3731
On December 11 2011 23:52 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 23:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 11 2011 23:07 Hynda wrote:
LoL must have the worst player base out there, I was thinking. I'm playing at 1600 which is what top 10.000? And I see people that lack absolute basic motorskills and decision making. The top 10.000 CS players, or top 10.000 WoW players even is 500 times better than these guys, not to talk about top 10.000 starcraft players. I wonder why.


Law of Averages plus being a teamgame.

When 11 million people play your game there will be a lot of really bad people.
When 4 people can carry 1 utterly bad person to a win he gets higher then he should be.

But that should even out over 100s of games. I see people with 300+ games at 1600 that can't last hit, never ward, always run into super obvious traps ect. I don't know but I could never ever see a Master/Diamond (how many master players in the world are there?) do shit like that. I wouldn't even say a Silver League player would do those kinds of things, yet they manage to stay over 100's of games, that must mean that the rest of that 1600's are just as bad on average. Also the more players you have logicly your top 10.000 should be better than those with less players.

It just indicates how big the LoL playerbase is.

For reference, the Diamond-or-higher player base is the top 8% of SC2 players, while 1600+ is like top 2% of LoL players.

http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
http://www.dmh.se/elo.php
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 15:42:18
December 11 2011 15:42 GMT
#3732
On December 11 2011 23:07 Unentschieden wrote:
It´s like Rylais, good but ultimately luxury. On Singed sustainability more likely would come from FoN since that makes you also run faster. Take a look at the Team, if there are others that could use it it´s great but not really necessary for singed himself.

Secret plan is to pick Singed when you have a WotA carrying champ (aka every AP that doesn't use mana plus a few more).
twitch.tv/cratonz
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 15:45:22
December 11 2011 15:44 GMT
#3733
On December 12 2011 00:22 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 22:50 starfries wrote:
random thought... anyone tried spell vamp on Singed?

I tried it once, too, and I was pretty disappointed by it...

Singed's poison is AoE, you don't heal a whole lot from it.

You do if you constantly hit everyone with it, you know like in teamfights.
On another note, has anyone ever used surge other than just trying it out?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 11 2011 15:46 GMT
#3734
Singed doesn't heal that much off spell vamp. Just your ult gives so much regen that it's better to stack resists/get a fon and just get pure AP if you want damage.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 15:50:32
December 11 2011 15:50 GMT
#3735
On December 11 2011 22:50 starfries wrote:
random thought... anyone tried spell vamp on Singed?

I remember Dyrus going AP singed, pretty sure that WOTA was his 2. or 3. big item (post rod or post d-cap, not sure which one)
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 11 2011 15:50 GMT
#3736
Do you ever buy vamp on udyr? wouldn't it be great with tiger and possibly phoenix?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 15:52:35
December 11 2011 15:51 GMT
#3737
On December 12 2011 00:44 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 00:22 spinesheath wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:50 starfries wrote:
random thought... anyone tried spell vamp on Singed?

I tried it once, too, and I was pretty disappointed by it...

Singed's poison is AoE, you don't heal a whole lot from it.

You do if you constantly hit everyone with it, you know like in teamfights.
On another note, has anyone ever used surge other than just trying it out?

Nope. Tried it and hated it. It replaces Rally quite well.

+ Show Spoiler +
(Because nobody uses it)


Do you ever buy vamp on udyr? wouldn't it be great with tiger and possibly phoenix?

It would be pretty awful.
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 15:58:42
December 11 2011 15:56 GMT
#3738
Minor annoyance: why are DoT spells listed as per-second damage, while health regen is always given as per-5? Adds an annoying extra step to calculating net rate of HP loss or equivalent gold value of spellvamp.

Actually, why the hell did Riot feel the need to list regen as per-5 at all? It seems like it's unnecessarily importing a WoW convention without the underlying mechanic that necessitated that convention in WoW in the first place (5-second rule).
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 11 2011 15:57 GMT
#3739
On December 12 2011 00:50 JackDino wrote:
Do you ever buy vamp on udyr? wouldn't it be great with tiger and possibly phoenix?


It's more efficient to buy resists and cdr for your turtle shield. Vamp relies on being able to hit your target and the motivation for people not focusing you should be that they are doing damage mostly to your completely spammable shield and if they know you rely on sticking to your target to stay alive it's much easier to CC you and scare you out of a fight.

Pheonix scales with AP and does more magic damage than tiger so hextech revovler would be not a completely retarded choice on him but still bad. It's just better to hope a teammate buys WoTA to give you a little extra on top of your insane tankiness already.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
December 11 2011 15:57 GMT
#3740
Because few (if any) DoT spells last for 5 seconds and do relatively high damage per second, while regen is generally quite low and lasts long (or infinite) periods.
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