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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 11 2011 20:05 seRapH wrote: We're all forgetting Lich Bane? Super good item on a lot of champs imo, extra burst is really strong. DFG also strong item. I don't get DFG cause I'm bad and always forget to use it. | ||
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On December 10 2011 14:31 57 Corvette wrote: Smash, I tried your Shen guide, and it was hilarious early, getting 2 kills top against singed before dying once (Towers too strong) Ofc this was the result though, normal queue too heavy ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zJs8U.png) #1 hint at reddit. Huehue. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 11 2011 20:19 TieN.nS) wrote: For Brand/Cass I look at the other team to see if I need to kite or if I can just blow them up, and that decides my first big item. It's not very good at all on Heimer though, Bwaaaa. It's a potential lategame item on Heimer because W uses the 35% Rylai's slow, which makes it very easy to W->E without needing other lead-off spells. As with many other AP carries though, it gets overshadowed by DCap/Void/Zhonya's, and on Heimer you want to prioritize AA staff if your team has another potential blue buff user--since you get enough passive CDR that lategame that blue is redundant if you can solve your mana issues. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On December 11 2011 20:27 NeoIllusions wrote: Really no point in playing Heimer now that Riot took away his turret shred. :\ wait. i thought it still shreds at rank 2? unless you meant on baron and stuff | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 11 2011 20:30 wussleeQ wrote: wait. i thought it still shreds at rank 2? unless you meant on baron and stuff I think Neo means on Baron/Dragon, which I agree with. One of the major draws of Heimer is how the turret shred contributes to objective control--shredding 1 armor/MR per hit just isn't that significant in a short teamfight--it's a much more sensible ability for taking objectives and now they're not even good for that. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 11 2011 19:59 Ryuu314 wrote: Depends on the champ imo. On Cassiopeia for example I'd take Rylais over Zhonyas any day, but for say Morg/Annie I'd probably want Zhonyas. My rule of thumb when I get to that point is if I have a RoA I grab a Zhonyas cause hp probably isn't a problem. If I went doran's rings into dcap I'd take Rylais 'cause having more than 2k hp is gonna be nice. Yeah I agree but at that point you don't even have a RoA. I was more looking @ a rylais vs zhonya when you have a RoA already, purely from a defensive point of view. On December 11 2011 20:12 NeoIllusions wrote: Technically, Rylai's is great on Brand and Cass because it lets you kite all day and land your combo. Unfortunately, Rylai's provides pretty shitty AP for it's cost. Not surprisingly, most players rush Deathcap whenever they solo mid. I used to rush Dcap/drings into Dcap, but after going RoA first it let me do a lot of stupid shit and get away with it because it makes you quite a bit tanky. It's more of a playstyle thing though. | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
On December 11 2011 19:36 seRapH wrote: Rylai's is core on Singed, way more core than RoA. Most AP champs that have hard CCs shouldn't ever need Rylai's (Annie, Brand, Morgana). Champs that don't have hard CC (not including ult) often really like Rylai's, such as Cass, Akali, Kat, Kog, etc. What? Ok I get that Rylai's is good on singed but saying that it is better than ROA is just a what. ROA is generally the first big item on any singed because it is so cost effective and cata gives you great lane sustain so you can nonstop farm up in top lane. ROA is just too cost effective with singed's passive, I have even seen people stacking up to 3 of them in a long game(I don't do this I usually like to get resists with 2 ROAs max sometimes substituting one for a rylai's if I need the slow.). | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
 and a FoN or frozen heart makes you tankier. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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seRapH
United States9761 Posts
 I can understand a RoA rush in some lanes, especially if you're dominating, but saying that deathcap is better than Rylai's is... well, bad. 15% slow is enough to make sure that when your team is being chased the enemy team can't catch up. 15% slow is enough to help your carries kite those bruisers. Rylai's is most definitely a core item on singed. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 11 2011 22:01 seRapH wrote: Lol what. Ok, first off, generally for singed I either bv rush or cata into Rylai's. A RoA rush leaves you with no resistances, so I generally view this as a high-risk high-reward kind of thing. Laning and circumstances change everything I can understand a RoA rush in some lanes, especially if you're dominating, but saying that deathcap is better than Rylai's is... well, bad. 15% slow is enough to make sure that when your team is being chased the enemy team can't catch up. 15% slow is enough to help your carries kite those bruisers. Rylai's is most definitely a core item on singed. Cata into Rylai's leaves you with no resistances either, bad argument. You get resistances from runes/masteries anyways and you'll have a really big hp pool with RoA+you'll have either mercs or tabi. | ||
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seRapH
United States9761 Posts
On December 11 2011 22:08 JackDino wrote: Cata into Rylai's leaves you with no resistances either, bad argument. You get resistances from runes/masteries anyways and you'll have a really big hp pool with RoA+you'll have either mercs or tabi. Cata --> Rylais's is my I'm getting shit on in lane and my Rylai's is about to be late build. #1 lane dominance. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
(Posted this in the WCG thread originaly, but i thought it might still be of interest for those who don't follow WCG) | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
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