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Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 11 2011 08:37 GMT
#3681
Was just playing a game as riven jungle. Got q first (best l1 damage), start blue with a pretty good leash. Q-hit-q-hit-q-hit, as it wanders into the little brush, and then it resets and walks back to its starting position and heals back to full. All the while im hitting it as it walks back. I stay inside its radius ( I did NOT get too far away). This is the second time this has happened to me as Riven. My suspicion is that the knock-back from the third q knocks it out of its radius, I can understand that. But why the fuck does it not then re-aggro when I hit it? Is this a bug?
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 08:41:18
December 11 2011 08:38 GMT
#3682
On December 11 2011 17:26 Bwaaaa wrote:
Can I have a list of 'mana-less' champions that scale well off ap?
I have been trying to think up a list but all I can think of are rumble, kennen and alkali.Is that all there is? I want to know because I want to start buying Rylai's more often but I always find it hard to trade off all that mana and sustain in ROA.


vlad
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
December 11 2011 08:40 GMT
#3683
Kat, Shen, Shyvana, Tryndamere, and Vlad all have ap scaling. Obviously not all of them have great ap scaling, but they can work sometimes as troll builds (ap tryn)
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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 11 2011 08:41 GMT
#3684
On December 11 2011 17:26 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 17:23 Hynda wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:17 Craton wrote:
Comedy bronze, maybe.

come on 5 bear puns in 2 sentances!


Check spoiler, much more than 5 bear puns
in a way longer paragraf!
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 11 2011 08:43 GMT
#3685
lets ignore rumble
cool beans
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9761 Posts
December 11 2011 08:45 GMT
#3686
He said that already, but SURE NOBODY PLAY RUMBLE PLZ :<
boomer hands
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 11 2011 08:47 GMT
#3687
On December 11 2011 17:37 Treadmill wrote:
Was just playing a game as riven jungle. Got q first (best l1 damage), start blue with a pretty good leash. Q-hit-q-hit-q-hit, as it wanders into the little brush, and then it resets and walks back to its starting position and heals back to full. All the while im hitting it as it walks back. I stay inside its radius ( I did NOT get too far away). This is the second time this has happened to me as Riven. My suspicion is that the knock-back from the third q knocks it out of its radius, I can understand that. But why the fuck does it not then re-aggro when I hit it? Is this a bug?

A very key trick in jungling after you get a leash is to stand between blue and blue's original position. Blue buff, and all monsters in the jungle, will try to walk back to its original position when it loses aggro. However, if there is a hostile target hitting it (you) in its path, it will stop to attack it. It's not so much staying in range of blue as it is putting yourself in its path. In other words, a very bad diagram (I'm too lazy to open ms paint or w/e):

Before leash:
(blue)____________(you)

After leash, blue will walk out and you want to be positioned like so.
(original pos)______(you)(blue)

What I see a lot of junglers do when they fail is they stand next to blue, outside of the bush, not in its path like so:
(original pos)______(blue)
_________________(you)

If far enough away, the last position will cause blue to reset.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 11 2011 08:55 GMT
#3688
hmm, is there a thread for requests of content to be added?
either way, i think it would be very helpful in terms of gameplay to be able to see the state of your teammates' summoner spells and ultimates, similarly as available in the observer mode (obviously without the opponents' info =P)
i think the majority of league players would agree that it would be helpful to be able to know such info in game, green dots are kind of helpful but are harder to see immediately as well as not giving any indication of how soon the spells will be up (and have had many bugs in the past!)
i wouldn't be surprised if there were some technical barriers to adding it into the game, but it would be cool to have in the game :D
Hey! Listen!
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 11 2011 09:04 GMT
#3689
no what i meant was literally fuck rumble zzz
cool beans
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 09:05:33
December 11 2011 09:04 GMT
#3690
Wow, I cant believe I forgot vlad and kat thank you. On another semi-related note when is the right time (if ever) to build rylai's? I know it is standard on rumble and viable on singed and heimerdinger but when is it better than a ROA on more standard ap casters?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 11 2011 09:06 GMT
#3691
On December 11 2011 18:04 Bwaaaa wrote:
Wow I cant believe I forgot vlad and kat thank you. On another semi-related note when is the right time (if ever) to build rylai's I know it is standard on rumble and viable on singed and heimerdinger but when is it better than a ROA on more standard ap casters?

usually it's after roa/dcap and void staff maybe wota. Rylais is awesome, but for the vast majority of cases it's pure luxury item since roa/dcap/void staff and wota are just too good.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 11 2011 09:18 GMT
#3692
On December 11 2011 17:47 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 17:37 Treadmill wrote:
Was just playing a game as riven jungle. Got q first (best l1 damage), start blue with a pretty good leash. Q-hit-q-hit-q-hit, as it wanders into the little brush, and then it resets and walks back to its starting position and heals back to full. All the while im hitting it as it walks back. I stay inside its radius ( I did NOT get too far away). This is the second time this has happened to me as Riven. My suspicion is that the knock-back from the third q knocks it out of its radius, I can understand that. But why the fuck does it not then re-aggro when I hit it? Is this a bug?

A very key trick in jungling after you get a leash is to stand between blue and blue's original position. Blue buff, and all monsters in the jungle, will try to walk back to its original position when it loses aggro. However, if there is a hostile target hitting it (you) in its path, it will stop to attack it. It's not so much staying in range of blue as it is putting yourself in its path. In other words, a very bad diagram (I'm too lazy to open ms paint or w/e):

Before leash:
(blue)____________(you)

After leash, blue will walk out and you want to be positioned like so.
(original pos)______(you)(blue)

What I see a lot of junglers do when they fail is they stand next to blue, outside of the bush, not in its path like so:
(original pos)______(blue)
_________________(you)

If far enough away, the last position will cause blue to reset.

Huh. Did not know that was how it worked. Thanks a lot.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 10:38:19
December 11 2011 10:36 GMT
#3693
On December 11 2011 18:04 Bwaaaa wrote:
Wow, I cant believe I forgot vlad and kat thank you. On another semi-related note when is the right time (if ever) to build rylai's? I know it is standard on rumble and viable on singed and heimerdinger but when is it better than a ROA on more standard ap casters?

Rylai's is core on Singed, way more core than RoA. Most AP champs that have hard CCs shouldn't ever need Rylai's (Annie, Brand, Morgana). Champs that don't have hard CC (not including ult) often really like Rylai's, such as Cass, Akali, Kat, Kog, etc.
boomer hands
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 10:40:49
December 11 2011 10:39 GMT
#3694
On December 11 2011 11:27 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Thanks for all the advice on Jungle Gangplank. Unfortunately, I cannot afford the runes right now but I will definitely try them once I am able to purchase them.

koreasilver, I was worried about Nocturne being less viable due to his nerfs but since you've said he is still good for jungle then I will definitely look into purchasing him. Thanks!

Runes don't matter that much, I can do a full clear starting wolves with arm quints, arm yellows, mr/lvl blues and arp reds with 21/9/0 masteries. I also start Q and lvl it first.
On December 11 2011 19:36 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:04 Bwaaaa wrote:
Wow, I cant believe I forgot vlad and kat thank you. On another semi-related note when is the right time (if ever) to build rylai's? I know it is standard on rumble and viable on singed and heimerdinger but when is it better than a ROA on more standard ap casters?

Rylai's is core on Singed, way more core than RoA. Most AP champs that have hard CCs shouldn't ever need Rylai's (Annie, Brand, Morgana). Champs that don't have hard CC (not including ult) often really like Rylai's, such as Cass, Akali, Kat, Kog, etc.

Even on champs with hard cc rylais can be good if you need really heavy kiting.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 10:47:22
December 11 2011 10:46 GMT
#3695
Rylai's basically for champs who have to stay in and kite to max damage. Although a lot of champs who have to be in melee range like it for the tankiness, as well.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 11 2011 10:53 GMT
#3696
My only gripe with Rylais is that the vast majority of the time you're going to want RoA/Dcap/Void Staff/WotA asap, which means that building for a Rylais is put on the backburner and you'll rarely get there. Any 4/5+ item build on any AP would definitely want a Rylais tho.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 10:56:09
December 11 2011 10:55 GMT
#3697
I don't know why you'd want to take a rylais over a zhonya, it gives more ap/defense and I don't see why it took you 4 items to realize you needed a slow, if you need the slow you should get it way sooner.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 11 2011 10:58 GMT
#3698
On December 11 2011 19:36 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:04 Bwaaaa wrote:
Wow, I cant believe I forgot vlad and kat thank you. On another semi-related note when is the right time (if ever) to build rylai's? I know it is standard on rumble and viable on singed and heimerdinger but when is it better than a ROA on more standard ap casters?

Rylai's is core on Singed, way more core than RoA. Most AP champs that have hard CCs shouldn't ever need Rylai's (Annie, Brand, Morgana). Champs that don't have hard CC (not including ult) often really like Rylai's, such as Cass, Akali, Kat, Kog, etc.

yo rylais is great on brand, makes q easier to hit and having your w and e slow is really useful, tankiness doesnt hurt either
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 11:00:22
December 11 2011 10:59 GMT
#3699
On December 11 2011 19:55 JackDino wrote:
I don't know why you'd want to take a rylais over a zhonya, it gives more ap/defense and I don't see why it took you 4 items to realize you needed a slow, if you need the slow you should get it way sooner.

Depends on the champ imo. On Cassiopeia for example I'd take Rylais over Zhonyas any day, but for say Morg/Annie I'd probably want Zhonyas.

My rule of thumb when I get to that point is if I have a RoA I grab a Zhonyas cause hp probably isn't a problem. If I went doran's rings into dcap I'd take Rylais 'cause having more than 2k hp is gonna be nice.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9761 Posts
December 11 2011 11:05 GMT
#3700
We're all forgetting Lich Bane? Super good item on a lot of champs imo, extra burst is really strong. DFG also strong item.
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