EPT[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 183
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Your jungler doesn't gank your lane cause it's warded and you're sitting behind your tower at 20% then die? Jungler's fault all the way, yo. Enemy mid gets blue buff all game and is fed FB by your jungler while your mid got 0 blue's? Mid's fault, god, why is he such a noob!? That's just solo q for you. People rarely want to admit it's their own fault. Even top players do this, but you get some who know it was their fault and admit it. That's how you really improve. You look at your own faults and try to correct them, rather than blame everyone else zzzz. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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koreasilver
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On December 11 2011 09:27 Kyo Yuy wrote: This is slightly off topic from your post, but I was wondering - how do you jungle with decent speed using "unconventional champions" or even champions that lack strong AOE? I find that I have ridiculous clear times and jungle presence when playing Udyr, Skarner, or Lee Sin, but when I try someone like Gangplank or Tryndamere I find my clear time is much slower and I can't really do anything until level 6. However, I must also state that I currently do not have any runes specific for jungling. Despite this I can still jungle extremely well with the champions I mentioned. Is my problem just runes, or is there a way I can jungle with other champions without the runes while still clearing with decent time/health? I actually don't know, sorry. Ever since I picked up Nocturne and Udyr I actually haven't had a game where I jungled with a champ other than the two. Nocturne's passive is really strong for jungling, and his q does line damage so he falls into the same "jungler with aoe". I've been focusing all my new resources into learning how to play supports. | ||
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Mufaa
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Also I realize there is prob a better rune/mastery setup but after taking such a long break I don't even have the ip for a conventional jungle rune page so I try to avoid the jungle but being able to run a jungle who can remain relevant makes it easier topic around my team. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
12 armpen on reds, rest ad. armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, ad quints. qeqw q>e>w. Cloth 5, wolves first (generally you can do this with help, if not just tell your team to start blue while you finish wolves), blue, wraiths, gols, red. If I am blue side I typically go for a level 2 gank on top lane just to relieve the pressure on my top. Last hit with q as much as possible. The one advantage gp has on everyone else is that he actually can get farm in jungle thanks to his q. Rush wriggles, then warmogs. Then wits or atmas depending on what defense you need. Then get a triforce and win the game. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
koreasilver, I was worried about Nocturne being less viable due to his nerfs but since you've said he is still good for jungle then I will definitely look into purchasing him. Thanks! | ||
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Takkara
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:27 Kyo Yuy wrote: Thanks for all the advice on Jungle Gangplank. Unfortunately, I cannot afford the runes right now but I will definitely try them once I am able to purchase them. koreasilver, I was worried about Nocturne being less viable due to his nerfs but since you've said he is still good for jungle then I will definitely look into purchasing him. Thanks! If you're jungling nocturne, get practiced at hitting all the minions (especially wraiths) with your Q. If you shoot it right down the middle of the wraith camp (from the side of the square, not from the corner) you can hit all 4. If you take advantage of that, between Q and passive-auto, noct has the aoe necessary to not get bottlenecked in the new jungle by wraiths. | ||
broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
Put point into E, buy vamp scepter, start wraiths (smite big one), wolves hit lv. 2, and put point into W to heal during blue. The rest of the jungle route, including red, should be easy. Can't gank early, but allows you to rush Wriggles faster. Rest of the build is R>E>Q>W. | ||
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Mufaa
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:55 broz0rs wrote: Jungle Gangplank I have been trying out without optimal runes. I just use AD carry runes (ArPen red, Armor yellow, Mres blues, AD quints) Put point into E, buy vamp scepter, start wraiths (smite big one), wolves hit lv. 2, and put point into W to heal during blue. The rest of the jungle route, including red, should be easy. Can't gank early, but allows you to rush Wriggles faster. Rest of the build is R>E>Q>W. Don't really like E>Q with the way the current jungle is. At level 1, E first is a no-brainer, but Q at level 2 is both a significant dps increase as well as an income increase and allows you to gank (the increased damage from being able to auto->Q will probably even allow you to do golem without that ~80 hp heal you're getting from W). Also, maxing Q before E will both make you better at ganking earlier (if you're looking to play a farm jungle, you shouldn't be playing GP without going Q-first) and earning more money from your jungle. Depending on what kind of lanes opponents you're ganking, you can even skip W at 4 and get it later. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 11 2011 12:06 Haemonculus wrote: Wooooooww I'm bad at Annie. But we had Udyr and Voli and clearly we needed more bears. the more bears the better i always say | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:15 koreasilver wrote: I honestly don't get it as much as some people seem to make it out to be. I jungle about 2/3 of the time and yeah, it is common for people to blame the jungler when they lose a lane instead of themselves, but people also are very quick to deride other lanes for losing the game. Dumb people are always going to be dumb, regardless of what they're doing and what you're doing. That's often because jungle is the biggest determinant in who wins top lane, and most jungles if you're playing bot will systematically refuse to come remotely close to that lane because of the large red to lane distance. If a lane's been ganked 2-3 times and you haven't shown up once, the player on your team is going to be very hard pressed to do much due to the fact that he's probably down quite a lot of hp and even if he goes to shop he's going to be missing his summoners. Most junglers are horrendous; they know how to clear the jungle, but they don't do very much to exert map control and set the pace of the game. Most will prioritize clearing camps to sitting in bushes, even when sitting in a bush will net an assured kill in 15 seconds. Most will avoid attempting a gank even if they know they'll create a distinct summoner advantage out of fear that their opposing jungle will somehow metamorph into a counterjungling beast in the 20 seconds they didn't use to kill wolves. And so on, and so forth. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On the other hand, I don't know if the same applies to Janna and Sona (or Karma :>). Thoughts? Also, I feel like the CDR/level mastery on Cho'gath is freaking amazing. Easier to skip Ionian boots and still have enough CDR without hogging blue buff. | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On December 11 2011 11:31 Takkara wrote: Guardsman Bob (Udyr) taking on Wickd (Tryndamere) in GMan's stream... this matchup almost makes my head explode. GMan doing well in S2 really playing with some marquee players. I must say, being able to watch Bob's stream without cringing at all the missed CS feels quite good. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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On December 11 2011 11:21 overt wrote: It was sort of posted on the last page but I saw this on reddit and it has English subtitles so I thought I'd post it here. It's Nada's thoughts on League of Legends. Nada so hot. Thats all i got out of it | ||
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