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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 177

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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
December 10 2011 07:41 GMT
#3521
On December 10 2011 16:31 Vaporized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 15:29 TieN.nS) wrote:
On December 10 2011 15:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
Didn't moonbear say something about atmogs change?


Pretty sure Warmogs getting nerfed, dunno if it's in this upcoming patch though.

On December 10 2011 15:26 Treadmill wrote:
Anyone know if they're gonna replace the ninja tabi? And with what?
On December 10 2011 15:26 STS17 wrote:
New runes seem interesting, but I'm betting almost all of them are 820 a piece.

Life Steal and Spell Vamp quints will be interesting, and depending on the numbers may allow more APs to go top since they will have more "innate" sustain now.

% Health runes seem really interesting but I wonder how they will compare to things like hp/lvl across the board. Cho/Vlad/Volibear/Olaf immediately jump to mind as people who will like them but also many Atmogs goers will possibly want them as well.

What's concerning is these are mostly defensive runes and depending on their relative strength compared to existing runes may make the game more passive, since they make it harder to kill someone and improve their sustainability which decentivizes engaging them in the first place.

Spell Vamp gonna be super good on Ryze (depending on the numbers). I'd love it if it'd make him less reliant on WotA late game.


MS quints are essential and I don't really see why you wouldn't want WotA. I can't really think of a better 6-item build for Ryze than FH, AA Staff, Void Staff, Merc Treads, BV, WotA.


why do you get aa staff? for the mp5? i always leave the tear as a tear til i have 5 other items and then i get manamune for autoattacks that your opponent will feel, and turret destruction.

my 6 item build is: FH, manamune, void staff, BV, RoA, boots. your ult should be up almost every fight anyway with spamming skills lategame, wota seems like overkill.


Well, you get an AA Staff because there's no better upgrade for your Tear. Sure Ryze's AP ratios are subpar, but that alone isn't a good reason to get Manamune on him. He's not an autoattack champion, you don't have any armor pen so your autos do no damage regardless, and turret pushing is not your role. I don't like RoA because it's a lot of gold wasted on AP, and getting WotA in a complete build means that you are able to 1v1 anyone in the late game.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 07:42:56
December 10 2011 07:41 GMT
#3522
Ryze doesn't auto attack that often in fights because of his relatively short CDs plus the way Q works with other spells. Manamune gives ~100 damage to each attack (before mitigation), while giving 39 damage to each q, 118 to W, and 69 to each bounce of E. AA gives you more burst and generally more damage.
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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 10 2011 07:44 GMT
#3523
So guys +%health ATMOGS HP FOTM HERE WE GO~!~!~!~
FADC
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 10 2011 07:45 GMT
#3524
On December 10 2011 15:20 Craton wrote:
Quite a few champs have burst similar to Annie. TF doesn't have her ult equivalent, but he can take the majority of any carry's hp in one combo.


you made me do the math, you bastard

<Niton> TF does 260 + (90 or 45) + 155 + 2.45x AP + base AD as magic damage and 1x AP + base AD as physical damage
<Niton> annie does 245 + 280 + 450 + 80 + 35 + 3.05x AP damage
<Niton> TF: 505 + 3.4x AP Annie: 1090 + 3.05X
<Niton> + 2x level 18 AD
<Niton> for TF
<Niton> so TF: 505 + 211 + 3.4x AP
<Niton> 374 difference.. TF's burst is > Annie's burst at over 1068 AP

At some other levels:

300 AP: Annie 269 damage higher
500 AP: Annie 199 damage higher


Moral of the story: TF is an asshole, fuck TF.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
December 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#3525
Math teachers could learn a lot from me.
twitch.tv/cratonz
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 10 2011 07:52 GMT
#3526
Lux has similar burst to Annie too, but at nearly twice the range.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:00:04
December 10 2011 07:59 GMT
#3527
On December 10 2011 16:52 BlackPaladin wrote:
Lux has similar burst to Annie too, but at nearly twice the range.


Lichbane Lux actually has full retard burst, it's like 1570 + 218 + 4.05 or 5.05x AP depending on if you land the third auto or not.

Gib some kids real goodlike. 300 AP burst for 3k damage sup
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
December 10 2011 08:04 GMT
#3528
im still not convinced. its not that ryze's ap ratios are subpar, its more that he doesnt even have ap ratios on 3 of his 4 skills. i guess i can get a AA next game and see if i see any difference.

and its true ryze isnt meant to push towers, but having the ability to late game can be useful. if you're the last one left after a fight it would take forever to kill a turret, with manamune you will get the inhib before they spawn too. against low hit point champs like shaco in a 1v1 situation your manamune assisted auto attacks will definetly be felt.

i guess i can try wota instead of roa next game too. i really have no trouble 1v1 anyone late game with my build. i will see if its easier with wota. roa adds 630 health and 725 mana fully charged, +80 ap to help out e. it might not be the most cost effecient item for ryze, but i find it effective.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:06:20
December 10 2011 08:05 GMT
#3529
He has AP ratios on Q W and E...

WotA is pretty OP on Ryze, as well.
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
December 10 2011 08:09 GMT
#3530
huh wow the tooltip in game only lists mana as increasing damage. i just checked a site and they do have ap ratios albeit shitty ones. in that case i can see aa is better.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:12:27
December 10 2011 08:12 GMT
#3531
Green tooltip text indicates AP ratio, orange text an AD ratio.

Q .2
W .6
E .35
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:16:03
December 10 2011 08:14 GMT
#3532
i guess ill get aa staff from now on. ive been playing a lot of ryze the last month, def. my favorite champ. i think im probably good enough with him to play some ranked and not embarrass myself. i tend to own pretty good in normals (just finished a game before i got on tl, went 14-5-17)

HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 10 2011 08:17 GMT
#3533
who cares which champ has more ap burst .
1v1 mid IMO for viability
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:21:24
December 10 2011 08:18 GMT
#3534
On December 10 2011 17:14 Vaporized wrote:
i guess ill get aa staff from now on. ive been playing a lot of ryze the last month, def. my favorite champ.



Should still basically keep it as Tear until all your slots are full, but yeah, Ryze is one of those champions where best-in-slot items are pretty cut-and-dried. Every single good Ryze goes the build I listed and I don't think there's even a judgment call to be made about any of those items unless other team all magic/all physical damage or something like that. Ryze pretty fun, I just don't like how much farm it takes for him to get strong but I might pick him back up.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
December 10 2011 08:23 GMT
#3535
On December 10 2011 17:18 TieN.nS) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:14 Vaporized wrote:
i guess ill get aa staff from now on. ive been playing a lot of ryze the last month, def. my favorite champ.



Should still basically keep it as Tear until all your slots are full, but yeah, Ryze is one of those champions were best-in-slot items are pretty cut-and-dried. Every single good Ryze goes the build I listed and I don't think there's even a judgment call to be made about any of those items unless other team all magic/all physical damage or something like that. Ryze pretty fun, I just don't like how much farm it takes for him to get strong but I might pick him back up.

ya i noticed theres a point (generally when i finish FH and BV and tear is farmed up) where i start owning, but before that can be a grind. i find it amusing when ppl playing anivia or cass or the like play super aggressive in the early game, and by the late game im blowing them up in seconds. ill probably steal your build i guess, thanks for the input.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
December 10 2011 08:24 GMT
#3536
The thing that keeps me away from Ryze is his god awful auto attack range/animation/damage. Such a pain in the ass to farm if you can't bully the lane.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 10 2011 08:29 GMT
#3537
I think the main reason I don't really like playing AP characters is because of how so many of them have these really bad attack animations.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
December 10 2011 08:30 GMT
#3538
fiddle's attack animation is that way for me. just looks stupid and takes forever.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
December 10 2011 08:34 GMT
#3539
On December 10 2011 15:20 Craton wrote:
Quite a few champs have burst similar to Annie. TF doesn't have her ult equivalent, but he can take the majority of any carry's hp in one combo.

Yeah annie burst isn't what it's hyped up to be
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 10 2011 08:41 GMT
#3540
Gonna be so sad when they remove dodge completely from the game, it's so good especially in lane against champs like trynd, really good against irelia/vayne, they're gonna be a bit stronger when dodge gets removed lol.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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