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On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get.
It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need.
I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up.
As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team.
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On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team.
lol? Other way around...
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On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around...
Well, if you die, BT loses a bunch of power. So its a lot less forgiving.
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Woah woah woah anyone seen the new patch preview?
Spellvamp/lifesteall runes?
%hp runes?
dual armor/mr-pen runes?
Wattttt crazyness
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I'm all for new runes. They need moar items too.
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On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around...
not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit %
not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks
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On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks
So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice.
Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol
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On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol
He is agreeing with me. IE is safer in terms of less punishment if you die, but a BT is probably the heavier carry item, especially on characters like vayne and graves.
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On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol
agreeing with TD
well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault.
imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE.
Personally, the only AD carry I play well is Corki and I pretty much always go Triforce->BT since for him raw damage to maximize burst is best, but he's (and Ez) not exactly standard AD carry in that they play differently.
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Life steal and spell vamp runes. Who said they wouldn't come out with those?
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On December 10 2011 14:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Life steal and spell vamp runes. Who said they wouldn't come out with those?
Me, although originally it was because they would have allowed too many problematic junglers to exist.
Then they crushed eve and twitch, then they did the new masteries that let anyone jungle, then they blew the jungle up. So you really cant blame me.
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Smash, I tried your Shen guide, and it was hilarious early, getting 2 kills top against singed before dying once (Towers too strong)
Ofc this was the result though, normal queue too heavy
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zJs8U.png)
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On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE.
I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared?
edit: inb4 y dont build mejai/soto/levi on every char eyedrinker u pussycat
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On December 10 2011 14:37 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE. I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared?
It's not the question of dying a lot. It's more that IE scales better into the lategame as you get more and more items. Whereas BT gives you more power more or less instantaneously due to it giving potentially the largest single source of AD in the game. From that perspective, getting IE lets you itemize towards later in the game, hence "safer" while BT itemizes for the more immediate future.
If you ever have to build tank items on a carry not as a fifth or final item either you suck or the other team's carry(s) are stomping.
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On December 10 2011 14:37 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE. I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared?
There is a difference between playing scared and building according to the enemy team. I dun give a shit who you are. If the enemy team has nocturne, kassadin, skarner, and tristana you WILL DIE. Not to mention acknowledging that other lanes might be fed, ect.
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On December 10 2011 14:40 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:37 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE. I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared? It's not the question of dying a lot. It's more that IE scales better into the lategame as you get more and more items. Whereas BT gives you more power more or less instantaneously due to it giving potentially the largest single source of AD in the game. From that perspective, getting IE lets you itemize towards later in the game, hence "safer" while BT itemizes for the more immediate future. If you ever have to build tank items on a carry not as a fifth or final item either you suck or the other team's carry(s) are stomping.
In other words, you are making that initial big item choice based on the assumption that you will not be able to farm enough for another before the game ends. I dunno, guess it's mostly just a mindset difference but you are also wrong in thinking that BT gives more immediate power.
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On December 10 2011 14:42 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:37 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE. I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared? There is a difference between playing scared and building according to the enemy team. I dun give a shit who you are. If the enemy team has nocturne, kassadin, skarner, and tristana you WILL DIE. Not to mention acknowledging that other lanes might be fed, ect.
Cool, if you resign yourself to dying instantly I guess you just accept the fact that your team is always going to 4v5 without an AD carry. I suppose if the enemy team has Nocturne, Kassadin, Skarner, and Tristana you automatically lose the game.
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On December 10 2011 14:42 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:37 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE. I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared? There is a difference between playing scared and building according to the enemy team. I dun give a shit who you are. If the enemy team has nocturne, kassadin, skarner, and tristana you WILL DIE. Not to mention acknowledging that other lanes might be fed, ect.
Or you could just get a GA and/or play better.
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On December 10 2011 14:44 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:40 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:37 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:17 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 10 2011 14:11 TieN.nS) wrote:On December 10 2011 14:07 Two_DoWn wrote:On December 10 2011 13:52 Hakker wrote:
So im still kind of new to AD carries. How do you determine which BF item you should get first? Usually it just depends on which champion im playing, like i'll almost always get bc on vayne, ie on tristana etc. but I see pro players mix it up all the time and I'm wondering what thought process goes in to the items they choose to get. It varies depending on matchup, farm, and need. I generally only ever go BC if I am superduper farmed by the 15 minute mark and want to end the game before anyone on the other team can possibly catch up. As for IE vs BT- its highly variable. I generally base it on a few factors- how soon I need to be full power, how often I will get gibed, and how much sustain I will need. If you can farm an IE you hit an immediate power burst, while a bt is much more gradual. BT sucks if you are going to be getting gibbed a lot (ie they have some way to get to you scott free like noct ult or your team just blows at peeling) but is very strong if you can keep max stacks. And of course, BT is great for the sustain. Generally IE is the safer all around choice, while a properly executed BT buy can decimate an enemy team. lol? Other way around... not really...BT snowballs harder but IE scales better into late game 'cause it's power increases as you get more aspd and crit % not only that but if you're losing/dying a lot BT kinda sucks So you're agreeing with me? Like I said in my post, IE is the highest DPS item and what you WANT as an AD carry, though not always the best choice. Regarding BT stacks, if you're losing/dying a lot YOU suck. lol agreeing with TD well if your team's behind you're probably not going to getting stacks on your BT very easily and come teamfights you do run the risk of dying if your team's behind. Obviously if you're just getting ganked/caught and dying a shitton it's your own fault. imo, gearing for the lategame is "safer" since as an AD carry your power gets stronger the later the game goes. BT gives you sustain and shit so it's nice in that respect, but it's much more snowbally. If you need sustain you can just grab a vamp scepter w/out building it into anything. Not only that but if you're behind you can consider buying a wriggles. I honestly don't see how BT is safer option than IE. I guess the source of our disagreement here is that you and TwoDown are making item choices based on playing scared. In my original post on the previous page I outlined the criteria for picking the ideal BF Sword item for your hero. If I'm on Graves or Vayne, I pick up BT for the reasons I mentioned (need sustain since low auto range, abilities scale well with AD). If I choose IE first, it's because I'm very far ahead and confident in my ability to completely stomp the other team, not because I'm afraid that I'll die a lot. y not just build tank items on every char if u r so scared? It's not the question of dying a lot. It's more that IE scales better into the lategame as you get more and more items. Whereas BT gives you more power more or less instantaneously due to it giving potentially the largest single source of AD in the game. From that perspective, getting IE lets you itemize towards later in the game, hence "safer" while BT itemizes for the more immediate future. If you ever have to build tank items on a carry not as a fifth or final item either you suck or the other team's carry(s) are stomping. In other words, you are making that initial big item choice based on the assumption that you will not be able to farm enough for another before the game ends. I dunno, guess it's mostly just a mindset difference but you are also wrong in thinking that BT gives more immediate power.
Well w/e. Again, I really only play Corki and for him BT>IE 90% of the time. When I do play AD carries other than Corki I build mostly based on whether their immediate damage source is autoattacks or spells that scale. IE for the former, BT for the latter. But in my eyes, I jsut feel like IE is the safer choice if you have to choose cause any item whose potency is dependent on your ability to stay alive is going to be somewhat snowbally. I think it's unreasonable to assume you're never ever going to die if your team's behind.
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