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Noobville17921 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:03 br0fivE wrote: too much rage, why cant people give it a week or 2 to complain? you cant expect to know whats going to happen just by reading the patch notes no incentive to jungle when lane gives you more gold a failed gank would put you alot farther behind also | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:15 -Kato- wrote: Question for NAers, anyone tried if Blitz jungle is doable safely now? Blitz jungle has been do-able even since before the old masteries. With the new masteries it just because safer and faster. While I have not tested with new jungle, from what I'm hearing it should still be fine. Not sure on optimal builds, paths and masteries though. Will need to experiment. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
Overall less XP, overall more gold (at least I got the feeling I had more gold). This new jungle is VERY unforgiving for weak starts. I expect junglers with AOE abilities to thrive. You can still gank safely if you can wipe the camps relatively fast, but the ganks will come at a later stage of the game. Notable mentions: Malphite: ridiculously good. After a couple pots he doesnt loses life. You can buy a chainmail after our first trip back to town or you can stay some more time and buy a giants belt.) Master Yi/Nocturne/Olaf: With the new blue buff giving infinite mana for these guys, they just farm all day everyday and scale very well to the mid-late game. Still haven't touched Shyvanna/Udyr, but they should be like the above, they just don't scale that hard to the lategame. I haven't tested yet how affected are single-target junglers and ganking junglers are, but I'm advising my teammates to pick champions that are solid in lane, so they won't need much help coming from the jungle, or else the ungler will be behind. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:15 -Kato- wrote: Question for NAers, anyone tried if Blitz jungle is doable safely now? Blitz jungle's issue has always been speed (if you do blue->wolves->wraiths, your smite is up by the time you're on wraiths). New jungle does not fix this--it exacerbates the issue, given that Blitz does not have AoE clearing power. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:20 dnastyx wrote: THAT'S how you pull a numbers folks. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:22 Shifft wrote: Is there any good reason to even have a jungler anymore? They barely keep up with duo lane xp if that and make like no money...why not just have lanes take camps for the free heal? Malphite stays between mid lane and bot lane in XP terms, without using XP masteries/quints/zilean. | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
I have thought that now it might be possible that the lanes closest to the camps simply take the camp if they have time, lets say a pusher like Morgana pushes mid and immediately takes wraiths, or the support goes off to get golems to have money for wards and give the ad carry more exp. Maybe even just giving ap carry blue at start and every time thereafter would be possible. And you have to remember that there are champs that are simply not as good in lane and are played in the jungle becaue they would lose in lane. I will just wait and see what the pros do, at least in the next time there will be some interesting new team comps and maybe even champs that are more viable now. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:12 barbsq wrote: not sure how much i agree with this assessment, but i do agree that changing w from toggle to nexthit is a questionable move. Tbh tho, she still might end up being fine, esp if the new w applies bonus dmg to towers like nasus and garen (which i dont see why it wouldnt). I would prob end up going for a more ezreal-esque build with sheen bruta into triforce + thirster and then just sidepush all day just like old sivir used too. These changes really just shore up some of her bot lane weaknesses (being shit range and low mobility). Sure she's worse for solo lane wear, but i think these changes were aimed at making her bot lane (where most sivirs end up going nowadays) better, which i think is the right choice. Ya sivir will probably end up being an average ad carry cuz of her q. I'm just sad cuz you had a unique champion and role and said "nop players dont want to mix things up and run ad carries solo, so we're just gonna COMPLETELY change the feel of a champion." | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:32 Xedat wrote: I think the idea to jungle is simply that there are resources there and if you don't jungle you lose them. I have thought that now it might be possible that the lanes closest to the camps simply take the camp if they have time, lets say a pusher like Morgana pushes mid and immediately takes wraiths, or the support goes off to get golems to have money for wards and give the ad carry more exp. Maybe even just giving ap carry blue at start and every time thereafter would be possible. And you have to remember that there are champs that are simply not as good in lane and are played in the jungle becaue they would lose in lane. I will just wait and see what the pros do, at least in the next time there will be some interesting new team comps and maybe even champs that are more viable now. You still wanna run smite on SOMEBODY, but your blue or red-user could possibly run it - early game having the buff would easily be worth being down a summoner spell, as well as being able to go poke your wraiths or smallgolems for free bonus xp/gold. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:22 Shifft wrote: Is there any good reason to even have a jungler anymore? They barely keep up with duo lane xp if that and make like no money...why not just have lanes take camps for the free heal? it's still worth having 2 solo lanes though. I can see it working treating a jungler as sort of a roaming support, being relatively farm independent and able to roam around and help lanes out while picking up money for a few items in the jungle. since they don't need a lot of gold you could have laners take camps for even stronger solos. it might make a difference in blue vs purple side too since purple top gets access to small golems and so on. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I'm considering running gp10 on every jungler. You're just going to be afk-farming so you can afford to sit on gp10 for a while, and you really need the boost to your gold income. | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:37 sylverfyre wrote: You still wanna run smite on SOMEBODY, but your blue or red-user could possibly run it - early game having the buff would easily be worth being down a summoner spell, as well as being able to go poke your wraiths or smallgolems for free bonus xp/gold. not the 'red user' unless it doesn't happen to be ranged ad, u need flash,cleanse,exhaust,ignite, w/e too badly to sacrifice for smite imo. It would prob be on the support tbh. Top lane may be able to take it too, I remember when i first came to this game i always ran cv + smite (and mostly on pantheon XD) just kus i came straight from dota, and saw guaranteed vision and guaranteed farm as waaay too good to pass up, ofc the guaranteed farm thing was just kus i was still in the deny mindset, but i think if u dont have a jungler some1 top could easily take it, prob the person who's going to end up roaming from top. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 30 2011 03:40 TheYango wrote: The change in XP isn't really that bad if you're just farming jungle. The change in gold is REALLY noticeable, though. I'm considering running gp10 on every jungler. You're just going to be afk-farming so you can afford to sit on gp10 for a while, and you really need the boost to your gold income. Yeah I'm going to try regrowth->philo openings on any jungler that a philo early/shurelia late makes any kind of sense on. The jungle change feels like it hits fiddlesticks REALLY hard - he never was great at killing small camps quickly. | ||
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