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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 18:45:27
November 29 2011 18:45 GMT
#341
Looks like if you don't have at least 150 cs till 20 minutes,you have failed as a jungler.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 18:47:23
November 29 2011 18:47 GMT
#342
On November 30 2011 03:43 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 03:37 sylverfyre wrote:
On November 30 2011 03:32 Xedat wrote:
I think the idea to jungle is simply that there are resources there and if you don't jungle you lose them.

I have thought that now it might be possible that the lanes closest to the camps simply take the camp if they have time, lets say a pusher like Morgana pushes mid and immediately takes wraiths, or the support goes off to get golems to have money for wards and give the ad carry more exp.

Maybe even just giving ap carry blue at start and every time thereafter would be possible.

And you have to remember that there are champs that are simply not as good in lane and are played in the jungle becaue they would lose in lane.

I will just wait and see what the pros do, at least in the next time there will be some interesting new team comps and maybe even champs that are more viable now.

You still wanna run smite on SOMEBODY, but your blue or red-user could possibly run it - early game having the buff would easily be worth being down a summoner spell, as well as being able to go poke your wraiths or smallgolems for free bonus xp/gold.


not the 'red user' unless it doesn't happen to be ranged ad, u need flash,cleanse,exhaust,ignite, w/e too badly to sacrifice for smite imo. It would prob be on the support tbh. Top lane may be able to take it too, I remember when i first came to this game i always ran cv + smite (and mostly on pantheon XD) just kus i came straight from dota, and saw guaranteed vision and guaranteed farm as waaay too good to pass up, ofc the guaranteed farm thing was just kus i was still in the deny mindset, but i think if u dont have a jungler some1 top could easily take it, prob the person who's going to end up roaming from top.


Yeah red-user running smite makes more sense for purple team if top lane is someone who enjoys redbuff. A lot of AP mids could handle having smite instead of ignite or something. Smite Top has the problem with running smite means not running tele so your smiter isn't showing up to dragon (or is risking their tower by doing so).
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
November 29 2011 18:47 GMT
#343
I think junglers like udyr that dont have gap closers or can get creep blocked shouldn't bother ganking at all and just jungle/counter jungle and pretend like the jungle is another solo lane. If you fail a gank, you can be so behind =\
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
November 29 2011 18:50 GMT
#344
Today I am going to test out Jungle Graves, will report back when the deed is done
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 29 2011 18:50 GMT
#345
On November 30 2011 03:50 57 Corvette wrote:
Today I am going to test out Jungle Graves, will report back when the deed is done

friend of mine just went jungle brusier swain (atmog)
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 18:58 GMT
#346
On November 30 2011 03:40 starfries wrote:
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On November 30 2011 03:22 Shifft wrote:
Is there any good reason to even have a jungler anymore? They barely keep up with duo lane xp if that and make like no money...why not just have lanes take camps for the free heal?

it's still worth having 2 solo lanes though. I can see it working treating a jungler as sort of a roaming support, being relatively farm independent and able to roam around and help lanes out while picking up money for a few items in the jungle. since they don't need a lot of gold you could have laners take camps for even stronger solos. it might make a difference in blue vs purple side too since purple top gets access to small golems and so on.

A properly played 2v1 lane has always been able to deny the top solo hard enough to make them effectively not a solo. The problem has always been keeping up with the jungle's unchecked leveling with access to both jungles.


On November 30 2011 03:42 Alay wrote:
Jungle nasus worth it now?

The gold income out of the jungle is too terrible for Nasus.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 29 2011 18:59 GMT
#347
I'm somewhat confused as to why people feel poor when farming the jungle. Mathematically if you can kill the small camps as fast as they spawn you should be making more gold than before without accounting for ganks or covering lanes. For reference, the old level 6 route was worth 724g pre-remake. If you can keep the small camps perpetually clear in the new jungle (cleared 5x in 5 minutes) that's worth 760g without accounting for scaling. If you spend a minute killing blue and red (4x small camp clears + red/blue in 5 minutes) that's still worth 760g.

Is it because you can't really gank or cover lanes anymore?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
November 29 2011 19:00 GMT
#348
On November 30 2011 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 03:42 Alay wrote:
Jungle nasus worth it now?

The gold income out of the jungle is too terrible for Nasus.


Awww was it nerfed that hard? :[

Meh, I'm just gonna play support from now on I think. These changes sound game-ruining for a jungle main.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:09:26
November 29 2011 19:04 GMT
#349
On November 30 2011 03:59 Seuss wrote:
I'm somewhat confused as to why people feel poor when farming the jungle. Mathematically if you can kill the small camps as fast as they spawn you should be making more gold than before without accounting for ganks or covering lanes. For reference, the old level 6 route was worth 724g pre-remake. If you can keep the small camps perpetually clear in the new jungle (cleared 5x in 5 minutes) that's worth 760g without accounting for scaling. If you spend a minute killing blue and red (4x small camp clears + red/blue in 5 minutes) that's still worth 760g.

Is it because you can't really gank or cover lanes anymore?

Never mind ganking/covering lanes, you lose a bunch of camp time even if you back to buy. And it makes it hard to justify almost any jungler that CAN'T keep the camps cleared.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 29 2011 19:05 GMT
#350
gp minimap icon = burger king
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 19:06 GMT
#351
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 29 2011 19:07 GMT
#352
Can Ezreal successfully clear 2 camps with his ult ever minute? I'm going to have to try this.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 19:08 GMT
#353
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
November 29 2011 19:09 GMT
#354
Ok guys. I have a question. There is lots of talk of smurfs and guys like Jiji running multiple accounts into the highest ELO's...

How in the hell do you get multiple accounts to level 30 so fast? I can't imagine its worth it to spend weeks leveling up to 30 just so you can stomp noobs all day? Is there some sort of shortcut I don't know about?
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Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 29 2011 19:11 GMT
#355
exp boosts is my guess. But that would only double it. If you are winning every game stomping noobs then that would speed it up a little more. Idk you could probably get there in 90-100wins in that fashion.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#356
Some people also give their accounts away to them so they can use them as smurfs.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#357
On November 30 2011 04:11 Hoban wrote:
exp boosts is my guess. But that would only double it. If you are winning every game stomping noobs then that would speed it up a little more. Idk you could probably get there in 90-100wins in that fashion.

They burrow other peoples accounts to smurf too, see Neoillusions and nyxnyxnyx
In the woods, there lurks..
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:17:36
November 29 2011 19:17 GMT
#358
ok, i have finally tested the new jungle

when jungling the first time u can srsly gank without losing any farm time from the jungle creeps is about 6min LOOOL

so, @6min, lanes need to be careful. at other times just play aggressively, huehuehue
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 19:18 GMT
#359
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 29 2011 19:21 GMT
#360
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?
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