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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 19

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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 19:24 GMT
#361
On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?

Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 19:25 GMT
#362
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.

Assuming that you're against a jungler that isn't clearing their own wraiths every time they're up, that makes sense. Seems like you don't get a lot done though if you pop into the enemy jungle and the wraiths aren't there.

As a related note, if you're going to steal enemy camps, I still think that taking the whole camp is more worthwhile than gimmicky one-off leave-one-small-creep bullshit. It feels like optimizing clear speed is a lot about keeping a good tempo. Even if you delay the spawn by leaving the creep, they probably would delay clearing that camp if you fuck with it's spawn time anyway, so you may as well take the whole camp.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 29 2011 19:30 GMT
#363
On November 30 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?

Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.


By "whenever they can", I mean whenever lanes are pushed and you know you won't get much harass done.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 29 2011 19:34 GMT
#364
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


From the videos I've seen golems are worth the most gold of the small camps. o.O
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 19:34 GMT
#365
On November 30 2011 04:30 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?

Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.


By "whenever they can", I mean whenever lanes are pushed and you know you won't get much harass done.

Honestly, minis are worth so little right now that running to and from lane and killing the minis will probably lose you more XP than they're worth, even if you just shoved a wave into the enemy tower.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 29 2011 19:36 GMT
#366
Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 29 2011 19:37 GMT
#367
On November 30 2011 03:45 TheKefka wrote:
Looks like if you don't have at least 150 cs till 20 minutes,you have failed as a jungler.


CS means a lot less gold though. Before if you super farmed the jungle you had as much gold as the solos or maybe less than the AD carry.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#368
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#369
On November 30 2011 04:34 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


From the videos I've seen golems are worth the most gold of the small camps. o.O

Gold, yes. Exp? No.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#370
On November 30 2011 04:41 MoonBear wrote:
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?

Stealth buff to jungle annie.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 29 2011 19:51 GMT
#371
On November 30 2011 04:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.


I duno, they bearly tried to make him any good. Zileas hates armored bears with a passion
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 29 2011 19:52 GMT
#372
On November 30 2011 04:51 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.


I duno, they bearly tried to make him any good. Zileas hates armored bears with a passion


I see what you did there... just barely though.
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
November 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#373
Well, you should take minis while you wait for your wolvies/wraiths to respawn.
Shadow of his former self.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
November 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#374
I started jungling just a few weeks ago and the changes weakened my role a bit.

I found the first clear to be easier for some reason. Maybe it's because of the nerf to blue golem? In any case, I cleared my first run a lot faster but noticed the lesser experience and gold. The faster respawn rates makes up for that a bit, but I now really have to think more carefully of when to gank or not.

The one upside is that jungling is easier to get into for people like me. Clearing is easier, but being effective is probably a different story.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 20:12 GMT
#375
Realistically, the bigger incentive on jungling now is to find a way to bully your lanes into giving you exp and gold whenever possible.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
November 29 2011 20:16 GMT
#376
The two games I've played in jungle so far as skarner have gone really well. After full clear from blue to double tops I steal wolves. One game I waited for enemy jungler and ganked them. One game I went and ganked top after wolf steal. Won't work every game but with good map awareness is entirely possible. I then go my wraiths wolves and gang bot etcetc depending on what's happenening
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
November 29 2011 20:16 GMT
#377
got bored so made a new lvl 1 summoner to try free week yi, and without runes or masters can jungle infinitely off cloth/5
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
November 29 2011 20:18 GMT
#378
6http://status.leagueoflegends.com/

Am I just dumb or does it not say when summoners rift is going to be up?
"Only the Good Die Young"
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:25:05
November 29 2011 20:23 GMT
#379
I was jungling Irelia (im a lv 13 summoner) and by level three I was gaining health or at least staying the same on wolves, wraiths, and mini golems. To me it feels like any champion with any sort of sustain can jungle.

I haven't tried it yet but it seems that Shaco could hit just as fast of a level 2 due to the weaker camps and possibly being able to set up more camps to die to boxes.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 29 2011 20:25 GMT
#380
On November 30 2011 04:41 MoonBear wrote:
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?

confirmed
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