• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:18
CEST 06:18
KST 13:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"7ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!35Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)106
StarCraft 2
General
Terran or Protoss Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Looking for NASL Season 1 VODs Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6951 users

[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 19

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 205 Next
Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 19:24 GMT
#361
On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?

Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 19:25 GMT
#362
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.

Assuming that you're against a jungler that isn't clearing their own wraiths every time they're up, that makes sense. Seems like you don't get a lot done though if you pop into the enemy jungle and the wraiths aren't there.

As a related note, if you're going to steal enemy camps, I still think that taking the whole camp is more worthwhile than gimmicky one-off leave-one-small-creep bullshit. It feels like optimizing clear speed is a lot about keeping a good tempo. Even if you delay the spawn by leaving the creep, they probably would delay clearing that camp if you fuck with it's spawn time anyway, so you may as well take the whole camp.
Moderator
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 29 2011 19:30 GMT
#363
On November 30 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?

Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.


By "whenever they can", I mean whenever lanes are pushed and you know you won't get much harass done.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 29 2011 19:34 GMT
#364
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


From the videos I've seen golems are worth the most gold of the small camps. o.O
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 19:34 GMT
#365
On November 30 2011 04:30 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can?

Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.


By "whenever they can", I mean whenever lanes are pushed and you know you won't get much harass done.

Honestly, minis are worth so little right now that running to and from lane and killing the minis will probably lose you more XP than they're worth, even if you just shoved a wave into the enemy tower.
Moderator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 29 2011 19:36 GMT
#366
Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 29 2011 19:37 GMT
#367
On November 30 2011 03:45 TheKefka wrote:
Looks like if you don't have at least 150 cs till 20 minutes,you have failed as a jungler.


CS means a lot less gold though. Before if you super farmed the jungle you had as much gold as the solos or maybe less than the AD carry.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#368
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#369
On November 30 2011 04:34 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after?

Uhh, to farm them?

Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn.

Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.


From the videos I've seen golems are worth the most gold of the small camps. o.O

Gold, yes. Exp? No.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#370
On November 30 2011 04:41 MoonBear wrote:
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?

Stealth buff to jungle annie.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 29 2011 19:51 GMT
#371
On November 30 2011 04:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.


I duno, they bearly tried to make him any good. Zileas hates armored bears with a passion
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 29 2011 19:52 GMT
#372
On November 30 2011 04:51 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 04:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.


I duno, they bearly tried to make him any good. Zileas hates armored bears with a passion


I see what you did there... just barely though.
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
November 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#373
Well, you should take minis while you wait for your wolvies/wraiths to respawn.
Shadow of his former self.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
November 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#374
I started jungling just a few weeks ago and the changes weakened my role a bit.

I found the first clear to be easier for some reason. Maybe it's because of the nerf to blue golem? In any case, I cleared my first run a lot faster but noticed the lesser experience and gold. The faster respawn rates makes up for that a bit, but I now really have to think more carefully of when to gank or not.

The one upside is that jungling is easier to get into for people like me. Clearing is easier, but being effective is probably a different story.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 20:12 GMT
#375
Realistically, the bigger incentive on jungling now is to find a way to bully your lanes into giving you exp and gold whenever possible.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
November 29 2011 20:16 GMT
#376
The two games I've played in jungle so far as skarner have gone really well. After full clear from blue to double tops I steal wolves. One game I waited for enemy jungler and ganked them. One game I went and ganked top after wolf steal. Won't work every game but with good map awareness is entirely possible. I then go my wraiths wolves and gang bot etcetc depending on what's happenening
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
November 29 2011 20:16 GMT
#377
got bored so made a new lvl 1 summoner to try free week yi, and without runes or masters can jungle infinitely off cloth/5
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
November 29 2011 20:18 GMT
#378
6http://status.leagueoflegends.com/

Am I just dumb or does it not say when summoners rift is going to be up?
"Only the Good Die Young"
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:25:05
November 29 2011 20:23 GMT
#379
I was jungling Irelia (im a lv 13 summoner) and by level three I was gaining health or at least staying the same on wolves, wraiths, and mini golems. To me it feels like any champion with any sort of sustain can jungle.

I haven't tried it yet but it seems that Shaco could hit just as fast of a level 2 due to the weaker camps and possibly being able to set up more camps to die to boxes.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17302 Posts
November 29 2011 20:25 GMT
#380
On November 30 2011 04:41 MoonBear wrote:
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?

confirmed
twitch.tv/cratonz
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 205 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Korean StarCraft League #90
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft701
RuFF_SC2 235
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3851
Leta 173
Mind 46
ZergMaN 44
yabsab 42
Noble 18
Terrorterran 16
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm224
League of Legends
Trikslyr49
Counter-Strike
summit1g8199
Coldzera 880
Fnx 537
minikerr34
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox385
Mew2King157
Other Games
JimRising 765
C9.Mang0384
ROOTCatZ164
Maynarde127
Hui .119
JuggernautJason46
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1105
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 105
• practicex 35
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki7
• iopq 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota232
League of Legends
• Rush1291
• Stunt1232
• Lourlo1107
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h 42m
INu's Battles
6h 42m
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
19h 42m
The PondCast
1d 5h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 6h
Patches Events
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.