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On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after? Uhh, to farm them? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn. Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that. Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can? Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.
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On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after? Uhh, to farm them? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn. Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that. Assuming that you're against a jungler that isn't clearing their own wraiths every time they're up, that makes sense. Seems like you don't get a lot done though if you pop into the enemy jungle and the wraiths aren't there.
As a related note, if you're going to steal enemy camps, I still think that taking the whole camp is more worthwhile than gimmicky one-off leave-one-small-creep bullshit. It feels like optimizing clear speed is a lot about keeping a good tempo. Even if you delay the spawn by leaving the creep, they probably would delay clearing that camp if you fuck with it's spawn time anyway, so you may as well take the whole camp.
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On November 30 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after? Uhh, to farm them? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn. Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that. Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can? Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane.
By "whenever they can", I mean whenever lanes are pushed and you know you won't get much harass done.
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On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after? Uhh, to farm them? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn. Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that.
From the videos I've seen golems are worth the most gold of the small camps. o.O
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On November 30 2011 04:30 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 30 2011 04:21 Sandster wrote:On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after? Uhh, to farm them? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn. Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that. Also - is there any reason for your lanes NOT to take golems now whenever they can? Cuz its a waste of time and potential gold/exp. Maybe send the support, or the ad carry if the lane is pushed all the way to tower on blue side. Other than that I'm pretty sure its always better to just be in lane. By "whenever they can", I mean whenever lanes are pushed and you know you won't get much harass done. Honestly, minis are worth so little right now that running to and from lane and killing the minis will probably lose you more XP than they're worth, even if you just shoved a wave into the enemy tower.
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Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.
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On November 30 2011 03:45 TheKefka wrote: Looks like if you don't have at least 150 cs till 20 minutes,you have failed as a jungler.
CS means a lot less gold though. Before if you super farmed the jungle you had as much gold as the solos or maybe less than the AD carry.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm?
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On November 30 2011 04:34 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:18 Two_DoWn wrote:On November 30 2011 04:08 TheYango wrote:On November 30 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Realistically, is there even a reason to go to dobulegols anymore after the first clear if you arent going to gank that lane immediately after? Uhh, to farm them? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean, the spawns aren't THAT fast--if you go wolves->wraiths->minis->wolves on someone like Udyr, you get to the wolves the 2nd time around when they spawn. Well, its worth less than wolves, and is completely out of the way. Why not just focus on trying to do your wraiths and wolves, and jacking enemy wraiths every time they come up. Im pretty sure that you would actually SAVE time by doing that. From the videos I've seen golems are worth the most gold of the small camps. o.O Gold, yes. Exp? No.
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On November 30 2011 04:41 MoonBear wrote: Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm? Stealth buff to jungle annie.
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On November 30 2011 04:36 wei2coolman wrote: Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque.
I duno, they bearly tried to make him any good. Zileas hates armored bears with a passion
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On November 30 2011 04:51 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 04:36 wei2coolman wrote: Volibear's abilities are more gorilla esque, than bear esque. I duno, they bearly tried to make him any good. Zileas hates armored bears with a passion
I see what you did there... just barely though.
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Well, you should take minis while you wait for your wolvies/wraiths to respawn.
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I started jungling just a few weeks ago and the changes weakened my role a bit.
I found the first clear to be easier for some reason. Maybe it's because of the nerf to blue golem? In any case, I cleared my first run a lot faster but noticed the lesser experience and gold. The faster respawn rates makes up for that a bit, but I now really have to think more carefully of when to gank or not.
The one upside is that jungling is easier to get into for people like me. Clearing is easier, but being effective is probably a different story.
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Realistically, the bigger incentive on jungling now is to find a way to bully your lanes into giving you exp and gold whenever possible.
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The two games I've played in jungle so far as skarner have gone really well. After full clear from blue to double tops I steal wolves. One game I waited for enemy jungler and ganked them. One game I went and ganked top after wolf steal. Won't work every game but with good map awareness is entirely possible. I then go my wraiths wolves and gang bot etcetc depending on what's happenening
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got bored so made a new lvl 1 summoner to try free week yi, and without runes or masters can jungle infinitely off cloth/5
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6http://status.leagueoflegends.com/
Am I just dumb or does it not say when summoners rift is going to be up?
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I was jungling Irelia (im a lv 13 summoner) and by level three I was gaining health or at least staying the same on wolves, wraiths, and mini golems. To me it feels like any champion with any sort of sustain can jungle.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems that Shaco could hit just as fast of a level 2 due to the weaker camps and possibly being able to set up more camps to die to boxes.
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On November 30 2011 04:41 MoonBear wrote: Reddit says that apparently Red Buff is applied on direct damage spells as well. Can anyone confirm? confirmed
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