EPT[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 158
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:26 Cixah wrote: The main offender I've seen is udyr. It's very hard for her to get an early advantage without pumping the first 3-4 points into her W. o_O Irelia wants maxed W first anyway and completely dominates udyr after wriggle's in my experience. On December 09 2011 05:28 Sabin010 wrote: Don't you max w first anyway? Personally I think riven and akali is irelia bane. You just gotta play passively for awhile vs. those jerks, but then I think they're both fine. Pantheon counters Irelia because he can actually towerdive her early and punish passive play, at least IMO, but if Irelia gets a little early jungle support, she can be totally fine. Trynd is a weird matchup. Nasus slightly outscales you, though I'm not as bugged out by this matchup as I used to be. Singed kinda bitches you, but it devolved into a free farm matchup. Rumble's an asshole, but again, I just play really passive and bide my time. I dunno, I like GP as my "tough to counterpick top" better than Irelia these days, but I still think Irelia's counters are all soft counters at best because you can just chill out, let yourself get soft zoned and then crush them post wriggle's. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I got destroyed by a Trundle with Wriggles when I also had it. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:48 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: warwick with philo stone into wriggles is retarded. Haven't lost a lane yet, whatever the matchup. I think Rumble would love to face WW. Then again, Rumble is plain stupid for anyone. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:50 Cloud9157 wrote: I think Rumble would love to face WW. Then again, Rumble is plain stupid for anyone. o_O WW was my hard counter to Rumble back in the day. philo -> Chalice + Mercs, herp de derp, what? you're lighting me on fire? I didn't realize, sry. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:50 Cloud9157 wrote: I think Rumble would love to face WW. Then again, Rumble is plain stupid for anyone. I rarely see anyone playing rumble. In the last 100 games of mine I saw a rumble twice - once I was nasus and rumble was just raping the other team. Second I was mid malzahar vs rumble - it was tough but I managed to win the lane, and shortly after we won the game. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 09 2011 03:01 barbsq wrote: leblanc is a bad char lategame exclusively because of how combo-based her damage is. To get full dmg output, you have to do 3 spells in a row, within a specific margin of time, and the third spell is either a semi-weird skillshot or it teleports you right to the person, which is not ideal, esp if u get stunned be4 u can blink back. If just 1 of these steps is either blocked or times out, then it eliminates a massive amount of your damage output. It also doesnt help that everything about her is built for 1v1, but at the same time has no side-pushing abilities, so isn't really in a position to force 1v1's She also has like 0 aoe, dunno where u got that from. Her blink is an AoE. It can be redone with her ult if needed. Also the silence, ult part of her combo can be done in .1 seconds so it's impossible to block. Then she just needs to land ethereal chains if she's too far to blink which admittedly can be hard if she isn't close enough. She's no annie come late game... but not many champs have an AOE stun ult. I think she doesn't get enough credit come late game... but I don't play her, so I'm probably wrong. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:51 barbsq wrote: i got crushed by fizz as irelia. only played the matchup once tho. it was especially annoying kus jungle ganks couldn't even balance out the lane, kus it's impossible to catch the fucker Against Fizz you know what I do is come to lane with 80 mr at level one, and just shit on him. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:59 Sabin010 wrote: Against Fizz you know what I do is come to lane with 80 mr at level one, and just shit on him. Everyone should have a Mr and Armor page. It gives you much more freedom in picks when someone tries to counter you (they pick leblanc, you have like 80 mr is just gg). | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
I really love the character - hope she was more viable. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
Seems like his core is RoA, Frozen Heart, Banshee's? You end up as a super tanky, strong damage CC bot with an amazing chase/initiate. Do people build Manamune on him? Philo if supporting? | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:59 Sabin010 wrote: Against Fizz you know what I do is come to lane with 80 mr at level one, and just shit on him. You have a mr glyph/quint rune page? I guess null-magic mantle, runes, masteries makes: 30+24+13.5+13.5+6 = 87, not bad... MR rune pages don't come up nearly as often as armor pages, but I suppose they have their potential uses as well, seems more situational than armor though. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:59 Sabin010 wrote: Against Fizz you know what I do is come to lane with 80 mr at level one, and just shit on him. the problem was less him hitting me and more me not being able to hit him. that and the stupid healing debuff, which unfortunately is not affected by mr edit: it also didn't help that he got a really early blue | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:02 Alzadar wrote: Man, just bought Blitzcrank and he is fun as hell. Granted our team was fucked so it was me and Garen bot lane, which means practically a guaranteed kill if I land my grab, but even with a standard bot lane he seems like a monster. Seems like his core is RoA, Frozen Heart, Banshee's? You end up as a super tanky, strong damage CC bot with an amazing chase/initiate. Do people build Manamune on him? Philo if supporting? AP shaco with blitzcrank is like the best thing ever. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:00 Mogwai wrote: Rhav making me proud with that Panth love. Also she's right, Pantheon is hands down my best counter suggestion for both Riven and Trynd. He just hops so far ahead right off the bat. There's been like a 5page discussion where people said riven completely destroys pantheon. Guitar is bad though so dunno. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:44 Haasts wrote: What are people running as their non-Flash summoner on Xerath? If only Locus of Power extended the range on Ignite, sigh. ignite because it gives your non-w kill combo a lot more threat and is good against healers (if swain or vlad is one of their soloes you definitely want to take it, and not bad against soraka and other healing supports), and winning lane usually equates to winning the game in solo queue if you crush it hard enough i think heal is probably also very strong, in terms of amount healed it always heals more than ignite does even if you are ignited when you cast it. with xerath, if you prefer playing safe all game and prefer to siege early, it could be a gamechanger as well as making you even harder to dive | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:08 JackDino wrote: There's been like a 5page discussion where people said riven completely destroys pantheon. Guitar is bad though so dunno. if i can beat a player more than 500 elo above me with pantheon and they're riven, i think pantheon is a bit stronger than riven. On December 09 2011 06:09 Navi wrote: ignite because it gives your non-w kill combo a lot more threat and is good against healers (if swain or vlad is one of their soloes you definitely want to take it, and not bad against soraka and other healing supports), and winning lane usually equates to winning the game in solo queue if you crush it hard enough i think heal is probably also very strong, in terms of amount healed it always heals more than ignite does even if you are ignited when you cast it. with xerath, if you prefer playing safe all game and prefer to siege early, it could be a gamechanger as well as making you even harder to dive i personally like exhaust, since you are a lot more stationary than many other chars, exhaust helps out a lot in keeping ppl away. | ||
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She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.
