EPT[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 157
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Sabin010
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 09 2011 04:49 Slayer91 wrote: There's nothing wrong with irelia, I don't know why she's still brought up. She has a strong laning phase once she get some levels but so does every goddamn bruiser out there. Udyr, well, the life and mana recovery on his turtle shield function only for laning and could be removed, along with the cannot crit component. Jungle udyr only uses turtle for the shield you jungle too slowly if you actually slap shit in turtle stance. Lane udyr would probably be pretty awful without it, though. As for the "higher skilled player wins" logic, not really. You can always invest more in pots if they removed lifesteal, or, more likely, 99% of the time the champion with better harass wins because you just avoid trades until you win. That is, if they didn't buy enough pots/regen that you can out sustain the harass and win trades or at least not lose enough that your pots/regen pulls through. If irelias sustain is some kind of problem to you I suggest you try out swain or nasus or vlad or warwick who are the same deal. Swain's Sustain doesn't hit till 6, Nasus has to be farmed 150+ minions on his q to be noticable, Vlad's regen kit doesn't really turn on until about 7, and WW is very easy to beat up top with people who have any sort of magic resist. Irelia's sustain is a flat amount which is fine, but the other parts of her kit make her very retarded at staying alive AND dealing massive damage. Her ult is the main offender for me. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Two_DoWn
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 09 2011 04:56 Sabin010 wrote: So are we getting this nine-tailed fox on Tuesday? I am very excited to get another new champion added to the game. Especially some one who is an ap burster. tbh her kit just sounds like a kassadin remake to me. her ulti is an ammo based flash so it sounds like a weaker version of kass ult. according to mechanics preview "her burst is high, but must be in short range to maximize it." which further makes her sound like Kass since Kass works the same way; he has high burst, but needs to be in relatively short range to use half of it. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
The guy is a fucking vulture. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote: Kass does not make me think of risky, haha. The guy is a fucking vulture. yah reworded my post. risk probably wasn't the best word for it, but yea...ahri sounds like Kass from her mechanics preview. just speculation tho. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:08 Two_DoWn wrote: It does too much. It should either be a targeted heal OR a bonus damage spell. I disagree with this slightly. The skill is ment to be multifuctional, the issue is that it's multiple functions are too many. It's adept at tearing squishies apart at levels 2 and 3, early in the game it is great for turning the lane around because it automaticly pushes the lane once used, followed by late in the game being very strong at ripping through 4-5 people who want to team fight. i would like to see the skill NOT heal her unless it his a champion. Or while the blades are up, her W heals for double it's base amount. 82 per swing when its maxed and blades are up is quite a bit, especially since Triforce puts you at 1.3 Aspeed with her kit. | ||
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rob.au
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:21 rob.au wrote: Irelia can only be used as a counterpick atm anyway (ie you cant pick until enemy has their top) so I doubt she needs nerfs. Who are Irelia's hard counters? Or would the enemy team be likely to pick a better-scaling top lane that she can't dominate? | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:24 Ryalnos wrote: Who are Irelia's hard counters? Or would the enemy team be likely to pick a better-scaling top lane that she can't dominate? The main offender I've seen is udyr. It's very hard for her to get an early advantage without pumping the first 3-4 points into her W. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:03 Haemonculus wrote: Yeah Irelia's ult always bugs me. Kill a whole creepwave *and* heal yourself for like 2/3 of your HP in the span of roughly 3 seconds? FML I doesn't heal that much any more since the nerf, it was unreasonable before, though. Killing whole creepwave isn't anything for an ult. Hell look at anivia ult, 6 second cd kills creepwave in similar mana  On December 09 2011 04:59 Cixah wrote: Swain's Sustain doesn't hit till 6, Nasus has to be farmed 150+ minions on his q to be noticable, Vlad's regen kit doesn't really turn on until about 7, and WW is very easy to beat up top with people who have any sort of magic resist. Irelia's sustain is a flat amount which is fine, but the other parts of her kit make her very retarded at staying alive AND dealing massive damage. Her ult is the main offender for me. Nasus has 14% free lifesteal, not just his Q heals him. He heals a LOT and not just when he has stacked up Q. Irelias sustain isn't that high either, until you get level 7+ and wriggles. And if irelia is too strong, why is she only an average pick these days? Feels like the karthus of top, doesn't lose any lanes but doesn't win that many. Except karthus is much stronger in teamfights IMO. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
@td: Annie is short range but she doesn't have a blink ulti in her kit which is what makes kass and ahri similar imo | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:34 Ryuu314 wrote: Irelia doesn't really have any counters....her w should be maxed first in all situations and irelia with max w is impossible to push out of lane @td: Annie is short range but she doesn't have a blink ulti in her kit which is what makes kass and ahri similar imo Please tell that to Swain Olaf Udyr or Xin Zhao. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:34 Ryuu314 wrote: Irelia doesn't really have any counters....her w should be maxed first in all situations and irelia with max w is impossible to push out of lane @td: Annie is short range but she doesn't have a blink ulti in her kit which is what makes kass and ahri similar imo I was under the impression it was more like akali: ammo dash kinda, but also like irelia's: once you activate ult you can dash 3 times. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
oh yeah tryndaqueer also | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:39 Cloud9157 wrote: Please tell that to Swain Olaf Udyr or Xin Zhao. Swain and xin is tough first few levels but once u hit 5-6 with wriggles they can't do shit to you. That's the case for a lot of tough irelia matchups. Against udyr it's a farm fest which is okay cause irelia scales really well. Olaf I've never played or seen before so I cant say. Only real irelia counters are people who make the lane a farm fest and scale harder | ||
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