[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 155
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NeoIllusions
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:36 mordek wrote: Dan Dinh has been going for 24 hr (with a dinner break) and just vowed to play until he wins. So much monies. | ||
Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:37 NeoIllusions wrote: You need to build around Sivir though. Stack CC around her so your team can take adv of her highest DPS out of the ADs. I don't really think she has highest DPS in realistic teamfights. It's just that she's like, twice as fast as the rest of them and has a fucking spell shield and still does very high DPS, lol. But I don't think her damage is really comparable to like, Kog or Vayne's. | ||
Ian Ian Ian
915 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:51 Ryuu314 wrote: he's a problem because they kept his mad lategame damage, but gave him free sustain in the form of a massive buff to his Q. Tryn grabs wriggles and is as unmovable from lane as Irelia and scales harder. Tryn wasn't op before remake cause he was easy to bully out of lane. Now it's near impossible. Not to mention a free 35% crit chance means he can just build up fury, walk up to you, and get crits for an easy lane win every 3rd hit. I dont think the Q was that massive of a buff..He healed more before, and only had to kill/crit 7 times to get it full. Which isnt that much. And his Q is kind of a double edged sword, if you use it to heal, all of a sudden you become almost useless and can do no damage to anyone at top until you get your rage back. To get rage back you have to auto the creeps, which is hard to do when enemy can jump you because you are no threa without crit. And even if you do farm your rage back up you've likely pushed lane which makes you super susceptible to ganks. Any form of CC also hard counters tryn, as well as thornmails, since he can literally ONLY do physical damage without his E. Idk.. I don't think he's that op, people just dont play against him right Also; I don't like going wriggles with tryn. He's supposed to have that massive damage mid-lategame and wriggles just doesn't have that feel. I like building vamp->boots->bf sword personally. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:39 Mogwai wrote: I don't really think she has highest DPS in realistic teamfights. It's just that she's like, twice as fast as the rest of them and has a fucking spell shield and still does very high DPS, lol. But I don't think her damage is really comparable to like, Kog or Vayne's. % hax is real chit. :< | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:42 Ian Ian Ian wrote: I dont think the Q was that massive of a buff..He healed more before, and only had to kill/crit 7 times to get it full. Which isnt that much. And his Q is kind of a double edged sword, if you use it to heal, all of a sudden you become almost useless and can do no damage to anyone at top until you get your rage back. To get rage back you have to auto the creeps, which is hard to do when enemy can jump you because you are no threa without crit. And even if you do farm your rage back up you've likely pushed lane which makes you super susceptible to ganks. Any form of CC also hard counters tryn, as well as thornmails, since he can literally ONLY do physical damage without his E. Idk.. I don't think he's that op, people just dont play against him right Also; I don't like going wriggles with tryn. He's supposed to have that massive damage mid-lategame and wriggles just doesn't have that feel. I like building vamp->boots->bf sword personally. trynd building is so fucking simple. He gets free AD, free Crit, and scales especially well with Crits. He also needs to stick to targets as a Melee. If this all doesn't point to first big ticket item Phantom Dancer or Ghostblade, you're doing it wrong. but more to the point, vs. good laners, you need wriggle's armor and sustain and shit. wriggle's is still just so stupid efficient, it's pretty dumb to not get it on anyone who auto attacks top lane. | ||
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NeoIllusions
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
The Tenacity was in response to the talon buttfucking me every time he got close, I thought if the silence ran out earlier I could get away (and I did). After that, I didn't really know what to buy, so I thought I would get froz mallet+atmas, knowing I was still pretty squishy. In hindsight, building more HP vs Vayne is kinda pointless, but whatever. I wasn't really having trouble with their APs, so I didn't build MR (if they focused me properly, I would have gotten MR). What should I be building after the BT/PD anyways? | ||
Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:50 57 Corvette wrote: OK, so a few pages ago I posted my graves game, and I got critisized for building C&D and then Froz mallet+Atmas. The Tenacity was in response to the talon buttfucking me every time he got close, I thought if the silence ran out earlier I could get away (and I did). After that, I didn't really know what to buy, so I thought I would get froz mallet+atmas, knowing I was still pretty squishy. In hindsight, building more HP vs Vayne is kinda pointless, but whatever. I wasn't really having trouble with their APs, so I didn't build MR (if they focused me properly, I would have gotten MR). What should I be building after the BT/PD anyways? LAST WHISPER. It deserves the full caps. LW is one of the most underrated items in lower ELO games, it's really really good. Ideally you'd have LW before the enemies can build a good amount of armor. | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:51 Sabin010 wrote: How is Ghostblade bad on Tryn? You get crits, damage, attack speed, armour pen and cdr? That's like everything he needs. there is absolutely no way it's bad on Trynd. It's just that a lot of people like PD better, which is completely understandable, but there's no way you can deny that Ghostblade is stronk on him. | ||
Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:16 Haemonculus wrote: Well obviously late-game farmed trynd will beat just about anyone. Panth may be one of the only champs that can really prevent him from getting there in the first place. Who else can really go toe to toe with tryndy? Pirate/Udyr maybe? They may not be traditional top chars but I know anyone with thornmail and a taunt, or AD sion absolutely rape tryn in 1on1 fights. On December 09 2011 02:23 Xedat wrote: Regi played her in IEM tourney and what really made her so strong is the new masteries, I don't know who said it but she was balanced around being able to nearly killing people with on combo and now she can kill a lot more champs with just one combo. At IEM I think it was Salce actually started only bots against her as it is impossible to sustain against her damage and once she gets a level advantage its even more impossible to farm. Edit: Just saw that this was talked about last page....I just got up, excuse me. I have one question though, the last 3 Masteries in the defensive mastery seem pretty bad, is this just my noobish thinking, but even the 10% cc reduction doesn't stat additively with Tenacity or not? So if you get merc threads and you get them with every tanky character, just investing further into an other tree seems better. If you take long cc like fiddles fear, the 4 seconds are reduced by 35% by merc threads and then by how much by the mastery exactly? The 10% cc reduction only works on disables. It stacks multiplicatively with other tenacity or cc reduction abilities. So a 3 second fiddle fear, when targeted against someone with cloak and dagger (35 tenacity) and the 10% cc reduction yields a 3*.65*.9 second fear. 1.75 second fear. Also I still don't get how people consider leblanc a bad AP character come late game. She seems to have nice AOE and AP ratios when compared to other AP carries. Sivir seems strong, but I think her fundamental weakness is still her range. Someone like caitlyn can kick her ass in lane with autoattacks and nets to dodge her boomerangs. | ||
Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:50 57 Corvette wrote: OK, so a few pages ago I posted my graves game, and I got critisized for building C&D and then Froz mallet+Atmas. The Tenacity was in response to the talon buttfucking me every time he got close, I thought if the silence ran out earlier I could get away (and I did). After that, I didn't really know what to buy, so I thought I would get froz mallet+atmas, knowing I was still pretty squishy. In hindsight, building more HP vs Vayne is kinda pointless, but whatever. I wasn't really having trouble with their APs, so I didn't build MR (if they focused me properly, I would have gotten MR). What should I be building after the BT/PD anyways? IE and last whisper, then get a GA or BV for defense. | ||
57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:53 Doctorbeat wrote: LAST WHISPER. It deserves the full caps. LW is one of the most underrated items in lower ELO games, it's really really good. Ideally you'd have LW before the enemies can build a good amount of armor. Now that I think about it, characters do get armour per level, and just because they don't itemise armour doesn't mean they don't have extra to penetrate. For the longest time I thought it wasn't worth it until the opponents started to build armour. @Above, wouldn't that make me pretty squishy until I got my defensive item? | ||
Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:53 Doctorbeat wrote: LAST WHISPER. It deserves the full caps. LW is one of the most underrated items in lower ELO games, it's really really good. Ideally you'd have LW before the enemies can build a good amount of armor. no, Ideally you build LW at the exact same time your opponents build a good amount of armor. also infinity edge also QSS or Banshee's, I didn't see the game in question, so I don't know which was more prudent in that particular case, but it's usually pretty easy to figure out. | ||
TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:51 Sabin010 wrote: How is Ghostblade bad on Tryn? You get crits, damage, attack speed, armour pen and cdr? That's like everything he needs. Because it's unnecessary,at least it feels that way to me.My starting build is boots and wriggles and from there I go for zeal/BF sword.After you finish Phantom dancer as your first big item you can basically catch anyone you want.After that I turn my BF into either a BC or IE and than you win the game. The item isn't bad its just idk,mostly I see myself buying BF sword every time over a brutalizer and turn my dagger into zeal than it just sends me away from the ghostblade.Maybe I'm doing it wrong. | ||
Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:56 57 Corvette wrote: Now that I think about it, characters do get armour per level, and just because they don't itemise armour doesn't mean they don't have extra to penetrate. For the longest time I thought it wasn't worth it until the opponents started to build armour. @Above, wouldn't that make me pretty squishy until I got my defensive item? Yes it would, but you're supposed to be squishy. On December 09 2011 02:59 TheKefka wrote: Because it's unnecessary,at least it feels that way to me.My starting build is boots and wriggles and from there I go for zeal/BF sword.After you finish Phantom dancer as your first big item you can basically catch anyone you want.After that I my BF into either a BC or IE and than you win the game. The item isn't bad its just idk,mostly I see myself buying BF sword every time over a brutalizer and than it just sends me away from the ghostblade.Maybe I'm doing it wrong. BT and PD will be stronger, but the Ghostblade will get your dps high quickly. I guess it really has to do with how much gold you have banked up when you're at the shop, and who you're facing. I could see a hexdrinker, ghostblade being really strong vs some team comps. | ||
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