EPT[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 154
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
To stay relevant, Panth needs to kill Trynd during laning phase. Equal farm/level goes to Trynd obviously. With that said, if Trynd can hit 6 or make Wriggle's and at worst be behind 25 or so CS, I'd say Trynd has won already. Late game scaling is just retardedly in Trynd favor. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On December 09 2011 00:51 Haemonculus wrote: Anyway: Am I the only one thinking Volibear is broken as fuck? I haven't tried him in ranked matches yet as I need to polish up my early laning with him, but holy crap farmed bear is downright silly. W is stupid damage, even at lvl1, seriously it's just silly amounts of damage. Q is the best gap closer out there, (and only ever needs 1 point lol). E is a CRAZY 3-SECOND AOE SLOW, which ALSO BREAKS MINION AGRO so you can fuck with your opponent allll day in lane. And your passive is HALF OF MUNDO'S ULT LOL. BALANCED. Here's what happens when I get ganked as volibear. I run into the bushes and wait for them both to blindly facecheck it. Press R and surge, and a-move. They try to kill me, and then realize "holyshit we're both dying". Press E to slow them both down, Q to chase the lower one, and W to finish anyone still in range. If they run too far and you can't chase, just auto creeps and the lightning like jumps across the whole goddamn map to finish them off, it's hilarious. I was playing a game with bear last night and I was 4-1 in lane. Fed, but not super duper fed. 4 Enemies at dragon, and I charge in with ghost/ult/surge. 1v4 solo. Killed 3 of them before dying. 620 magical splash damage EVERY AUTO ATTACK. And with W + surge you hit 2.0 AS instantly. For the 12 seconds your ult is up, you're putting out as much sustained AoE splash damage as almost any AP carry, except that you also have fucking 5,000 hp, 150+ armor/MR, an AoE slow, a chase, and a single target execution move. It's absurd. I think voli is seriously overlooked. Find a buddy, and play him with a mid karma. Go 2v5, get PentaKill. These two synergize so well, its amost unfair. I've been having some fun doing this in normal, havent tried it in ranked yet ( people tend to afk/ troll you/feed enemy/ dodge you when you pick karma at 1350 ELO anyway). Next patch should nerf Voli a bit (the MS of his Q, and the damage of his W, not his ulti lol), but as they plan to buff karma; it migth stay viable IMHO. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:50 MoonBear wrote: What is this, Smash v Burbs? I am down to watch this as well! inept is (sadly? gladly? fortunately? unfortunately?) not burbs | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:38 NeoIllusions wrote: ?? She's still pretty bad. She's an assassin that snowballs. It's surprising that she does well in solo q? I'd still take an Akali over LeBlanc npnp. Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play  She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:21 Brees wrote: I would not recommend panth vs tryn at all...ive destroyed every single one ive ever played with. you are automatically starting with cloth + 5 pots anyway, no questions asked. Get spin lvl 1, build up your fury, spin to him and crit him for half his hp, bam you win lane. if panth's jungler doesnt gank there is zero chance of him beating me since I can just keep autoing while you spear me and heal it. pretty much every matchup panth v melee, i just walk up to and fight them lvl 1 either before or just as the creeps meet, which means u dont really get a chance to build fury | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:52 NeoIllusions wrote: My take on Panth vs Trynd is that Panth will win early levels. Only way Trynd wins is lucky crits at level 1. As soon as Panth hits 2, there's no trade I can see where Trynd would win. To stay relevant, Panth needs to kill Trynd during laning phase. Equal farm/level goes to Trynd obviously. With that said, if Trynd can hit 6 or make Wriggle's and at worst be behind 25 or so CS, I'd say Trynd has won already. Late game scaling is just retardedly in Trynd favor. Well obviously late-game farmed trynd will beat just about anyone. Panth may be one of the only champs that can really prevent him from getting there in the first place. Who else can really go toe to toe with tryndy? Pirate/Udyr maybe? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:16 Haemonculus wrote: Well obviously late-game farmed trynd will beat just about anyone. Panth may be one of the only champs that can really prevent him from getting there in the first place. Who else can really go toe to toe with tryndy? Pirate/Udyr maybe? i dont really think pirate can, except with something mybe like an executioner's calling rush, at which point i have no idea what would happen, and i dont think udyr will push him out. I think udyr won't necessarily die to trynd, but i kinda doubt he would kill him, and it would inevitably become a farm lane very soon, which would benefit trynd much more than it would udyr. (my take on those 2 matchups) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:29 Brees wrote: ill believe leblanc is good when I stop nut stomping them with TF of all people. he's not even that great of a lane and I take a dump on them unless their jungler camps me. TF is probably one of the most underrated APs at the moment. He doesn't need blue buff to lane, can adapt himself to any opponent, gank sidelanes at a moment's notice, split push, poke, repeatedly stun, counter stealthers and catch runners. Because he doesn't have a murder-button ultimate his style is very different, but it's strong when played right. My only real complaint is that pick a card is finicky. If you pick your card after your auto-attack animation has already started it (sometimes) won't go off until his next auto-attack. Also, I've had cards fail to stun/do damage if I died while they were in flight. So frustrating. | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:00 Hynda wrote: Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.Regi played her in IEM tourney and what really made her so strong is the new masteries, I don't know who said it but she was balanced around being able to nearly killing people with on combo and now she can kill a lot more champs with just one combo. At IEM I think it was Salce actually started only bots against her as it is impossible to sustain against her damage and once she gets a level advantage its even more impossible to farm. Edit: Just saw that this was talked about last page....I just got up, excuse me. I have one question though, the last 3 Masteries in the defensive mastery seem pretty bad, is this just my noobish thinking, but even the 10% cc reduction doesn't stat additively with Tenacity or not? So if you get merc threads and you get them with every tanky character, just investing further into an other tree seems better. If you take long cc like fiddles fear, the 4 seconds are reduced by 35% by merc threads and then by how much by the mastery exactly? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:23 Xedat wrote: Regi played her in IEM tourney and what really made her so strong is the new masteries, I don't know who said it but she was balanced around being able to nearly killing people with on combo and now she can kill a lot more champs with just one combo. At IEM I think it was Salce actually started only bots against her as it is impossible to sustain against her damage and once she gets a level advantage its even more impossbile to farm. Salce Swain @ MLG vs Regi Leblanc, Salce opened 13pot and added MR pretty early on. Regi's Leblanc ended up barely getting any kills that game, and was mostly just an oracle carrier [vs westrice's akali] | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:00 Hynda wrote: Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.Regi plays LB and some teams ban LB when they face TSM. Doesn't change the fact that my assertion is right. Regi has to snowball with kills otherwise TSM is in a hole. Games where TSM lose, people go off saying how TSM needed a "real" AP carry. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:30 TheKefka wrote: Seriously,how retarded is sivir right now TT Stronkest arranged 5 AD carry atm. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
That was a rhetorical question,but thank you very much She is just....ugh......pisses me off so much right now.. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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