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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
December 08 2011 16:50 GMT
#3061
What is this, Smash v Burbs? I am down to watch this as well!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 08 2011 16:50 GMT
#3062
Fight, fight, fight.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 08 2011 16:51 GMT
#3063
I demand to be known when and to watch this! I love people who step up and throw down. Theorycraft all good and well but nothing settles things like the MANRENA THUNDERDOME style resolution.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 08 2011 16:52 GMT
#3064
My take on Panth vs Trynd is that Panth will win early levels. Only way Trynd wins is lucky crits at level 1. As soon as Panth hits 2, there's no trade I can see where Trynd would win.

To stay relevant, Panth needs to kill Trynd during laning phase. Equal farm/level goes to Trynd obviously. With that said, if Trynd can hit 6 or make Wriggle's and at worst be behind 25 or so CS, I'd say Trynd has won already. Late game scaling is just retardedly in Trynd favor.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
December 08 2011 16:52 GMT
#3065
On December 09 2011 00:51 Haemonculus wrote:
Anyway:

Am I the only one thinking Volibear is broken as fuck? I haven't tried him in ranked matches yet as I need to polish up my early laning with him, but holy crap farmed bear is downright silly. W is stupid damage, even at lvl1, seriously it's just silly amounts of damage. Q is the best gap closer out there, (and only ever needs 1 point lol). E is a CRAZY 3-SECOND AOE SLOW, which ALSO BREAKS MINION AGRO so you can fuck with your opponent allll day in lane. And your passive is HALF OF MUNDO'S ULT LOL. BALANCED.

Here's what happens when I get ganked as volibear. I run into the bushes and wait for them both to blindly facecheck it. Press R and surge, and a-move. They try to kill me, and then realize "holyshit we're both dying". Press E to slow them both down, Q to chase the lower one, and W to finish anyone still in range. If they run too far and you can't chase, just auto creeps and the lightning like jumps across the whole goddamn map to finish them off, it's hilarious.

I was playing a game with bear last night and I was 4-1 in lane. Fed, but not super duper fed. 4 Enemies at dragon, and I charge in with ghost/ult/surge. 1v4 solo. Killed 3 of them before dying. 620 magical splash damage EVERY AUTO ATTACK. And with W + surge you hit 2.0 AS instantly. For the 12 seconds your ult is up, you're putting out as much sustained AoE splash damage as almost any AP carry, except that you also have fucking 5,000 hp, 150+ armor/MR, an AoE slow, a chase, and a single target execution move. It's absurd. I think voli is seriously overlooked.


Find a buddy, and play him with a mid karma. Go 2v5, get PentaKill. These two synergize so well, its amost unfair. I've been having some fun doing this in normal, havent tried it in ranked yet ( people tend to afk/ troll you/feed enemy/ dodge you when you pick karma at 1350 ELO anyway).

Next patch should nerf Voli a bit (the MS of his Q, and the damage of his W, not his ulti lol), but as they plan to buff karma; it migth stay viable IMHO.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
December 08 2011 16:57 GMT
#3066
On December 09 2011 01:50 MoonBear wrote:
What is this, Smash v Burbs? I am down to watch this as well!


inept is (sadly? gladly? fortunately? unfortunately?) not burbs
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
December 08 2011 16:58 GMT
#3067
I just had a guy, playing nidalee as a support who refused to buy a single ward because "traps are enough lol". She also stole my farm all game long. Seriously, I hate people so much.
Romanes eunt domus
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 08 2011 17:00 GMT
#3068
On December 09 2011 01:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 01:17 Hynda wrote:
Guys remember back in the original thread when I went like "HEY GUYS I MAIN LEBLANC AND SHE IS LIKE OP LOL" and everyone else went like "NAH BRO, SHE ISN'T SHE IS NEVER PLAYED IN HIGH ELO" look at you fools now! I see Leblancs in half the streamers games and she's banned in quite a few. WHO IS LAUGHING NOW! I am, cause now everyone will have to listen to my advice, and if they don't I get to be all snarky and go "WHO PREDICTED THAT LB WAS GOING TO BE VIABLE!?!?!?"


??

She's still pretty bad. She's an assassin that snowballs. It's surprising that she does well in solo q? I'd still take an Akali over LeBlanc npnp.

Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 08 2011 17:10 GMT
#3069
Didn't Reginald use her in a tournament recently?
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 08 2011 17:15 GMT
#3070
On December 09 2011 01:21 Brees wrote:
I would not recommend panth vs tryn at all...ive destroyed every single one ive ever played with. you are automatically starting with cloth + 5 pots anyway, no questions asked. Get spin lvl 1, build up your fury, spin to him and crit him for half his hp, bam you win lane. if panth's jungler doesnt gank there is zero chance of him beating me since I can just keep autoing while you spear me and heal it.


pretty much every matchup panth v melee, i just walk up to and fight them lvl 1 either before or just as the creeps meet, which means u dont really get a chance to build fury
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 08 2011 17:16 GMT
#3071
On December 09 2011 01:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
My take on Panth vs Trynd is that Panth will win early levels. Only way Trynd wins is lucky crits at level 1. As soon as Panth hits 2, there's no trade I can see where Trynd would win.

To stay relevant, Panth needs to kill Trynd during laning phase. Equal farm/level goes to Trynd obviously. With that said, if Trynd can hit 6 or make Wriggle's and at worst be behind 25 or so CS, I'd say Trynd has won already. Late game scaling is just retardedly in Trynd favor.

Well obviously late-game farmed trynd will beat just about anyone.

Panth may be one of the only champs that can really prevent him from getting there in the first place.

Who else can really go toe to toe with tryndy? Pirate/Udyr maybe?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 08 2011 17:21 GMT
#3072
On December 09 2011 02:16 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 01:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
My take on Panth vs Trynd is that Panth will win early levels. Only way Trynd wins is lucky crits at level 1. As soon as Panth hits 2, there's no trade I can see where Trynd would win.

To stay relevant, Panth needs to kill Trynd during laning phase. Equal farm/level goes to Trynd obviously. With that said, if Trynd can hit 6 or make Wriggle's and at worst be behind 25 or so CS, I'd say Trynd has won already. Late game scaling is just retardedly in Trynd favor.

Well obviously late-game farmed trynd will beat just about anyone.

Panth may be one of the only champs that can really prevent him from getting there in the first place.

Who else can really go toe to toe with tryndy? Pirate/Udyr maybe?


i dont really think pirate can, except with something mybe like an executioner's calling rush, at which point i have no idea what would happen, and i dont think udyr will push him out. I think udyr won't necessarily die to trynd, but i kinda doubt he would kill him, and it would inevitably become a farm lane very soon, which would benefit trynd much more than it would udyr. (my take on those 2 matchups)
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 08 2011 17:21 GMT
#3073
On December 09 2011 01:29 Brees wrote:
ill believe leblanc is good when I stop nut stomping them with TF of all people. he's not even that great of a lane and I take a dump on them unless their jungler camps me.


TF is probably one of the most underrated APs at the moment. He doesn't need blue buff to lane, can adapt himself to any opponent, gank sidelanes at a moment's notice, split push, poke, repeatedly stun, counter stealthers and catch runners. Because he doesn't have a murder-button ultimate his style is very different, but it's strong when played right.

My only real complaint is that pick a card is finicky. If you pick your card after your auto-attack animation has already started it (sometimes) won't go off until his next auto-attack. Also, I've had cards fail to stun/do damage if I died while they were in flight. So frustrating.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 17:31:20
December 08 2011 17:23 GMT
#3074
On December 09 2011 02:00 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 01:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 09 2011 01:17 Hynda wrote:
Guys remember back in the original thread when I went like "HEY GUYS I MAIN LEBLANC AND SHE IS LIKE OP LOL" and everyone else went like "NAH BRO, SHE ISN'T SHE IS NEVER PLAYED IN HIGH ELO" look at you fools now! I see Leblancs in half the streamers games and she's banned in quite a few. WHO IS LAUGHING NOW! I am, cause now everyone will have to listen to my advice, and if they don't I get to be all snarky and go "WHO PREDICTED THAT LB WAS GOING TO BE VIABLE!?!?!?"


??

She's still pretty bad. She's an assassin that snowballs. It's surprising that she does well in solo q? I'd still take an Akali over LeBlanc npnp.

Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.


Regi played her in IEM tourney and what really made her so strong is the new masteries, I don't know who said it but she was balanced around being able to nearly killing people with on combo and now she can kill a lot more champs with just one combo.
At IEM I think it was Salce actually started only bots against her as it is impossible to sustain against her damage and once she gets a level advantage its even more impossible to farm.

Edit: Just saw that this was talked about last page....I just got up, excuse me.
I have one question though, the last 3 Masteries in the defensive mastery seem pretty bad, is this just my noobish thinking, but even the 10% cc reduction doesn't stat additively with Tenacity or not? So if you get merc threads and you get them with every tanky character, just investing further into an other tree seems better.
If you take long cc like fiddles fear, the 4 seconds are reduced by 35% by merc threads and then by how much by the mastery exactly?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
December 08 2011 17:26 GMT
#3075
On December 09 2011 02:23 Xedat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:00 Hynda wrote:
On December 09 2011 01:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 09 2011 01:17 Hynda wrote:
Guys remember back in the original thread when I went like "HEY GUYS I MAIN LEBLANC AND SHE IS LIKE OP LOL" and everyone else went like "NAH BRO, SHE ISN'T SHE IS NEVER PLAYED IN HIGH ELO" look at you fools now! I see Leblancs in half the streamers games and she's banned in quite a few. WHO IS LAUGHING NOW! I am, cause now everyone will have to listen to my advice, and if they don't I get to be all snarky and go "WHO PREDICTED THAT LB WAS GOING TO BE VIABLE!?!?!?"


??

She's still pretty bad. She's an assassin that snowballs. It's surprising that she does well in solo q? I'd still take an Akali over LeBlanc npnp.

Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.


Regi played her in IEM tourney and what really made her so strong is the new masteries, I don't know who said it but she was balanced around being able to nearly killing people with on combo and now she can kill a lot more champs with just one combo.
At IEM I think it was Salce actually started only bots against her as it is impossible to sustain against her damage and once she gets a level advantage its even more impossbile to farm.

Salce Swain @ MLG vs Regi Leblanc, Salce opened 13pot and added MR pretty early on. Regi's Leblanc ended up barely getting any kills that game, and was mostly just an oracle carrier [vs westrice's akali]
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 08 2011 17:30 GMT
#3076
Seriously,how retarded is sivir right now TT
Cackle™
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 08 2011 17:31 GMT
#3077
On December 09 2011 02:00 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 01:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
On December 09 2011 01:17 Hynda wrote:
Guys remember back in the original thread when I went like "HEY GUYS I MAIN LEBLANC AND SHE IS LIKE OP LOL" and everyone else went like "NAH BRO, SHE ISN'T SHE IS NEVER PLAYED IN HIGH ELO" look at you fools now! I see Leblancs in half the streamers games and she's banned in quite a few. WHO IS LAUGHING NOW! I am, cause now everyone will have to listen to my advice, and if they don't I get to be all snarky and go "WHO PREDICTED THAT LB WAS GOING TO BE VIABLE!?!?!?"


??

She's still pretty bad. She's an assassin that snowballs. It's surprising that she does well in solo q? I'd still take an Akali over LeBlanc npnp.

Just you wait, she'll find her way into tournament play She is my favourite champ and it feels good seeing her being used at 2100 elo instead of never above 1250.


Regi plays LB and some teams ban LB when they face TSM.
Doesn't change the fact that my assertion is right. Regi has to snowball with kills otherwise TSM is in a hole. Games where TSM lose, people go off saying how TSM needed a "real" AP carry.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 08 2011 17:32 GMT
#3078
On December 09 2011 02:30 TheKefka wrote:
Seriously,how retarded is sivir right now TT


Stronkest arranged 5 AD carry atm.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 08 2011 17:35 GMT
#3079
On December 09 2011 02:32 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:30 TheKefka wrote:
Seriously,how retarded is sivir right now TT


Stronkest arranged 5 AD carry atm.

That was a rhetorical question,but thank you very much
She is just....ugh......pisses me off so much right now..
Cackle™
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 08 2011 17:36 GMT
#3080
Dan Dinh has been going for 24 hr (with a dinner break) and just vowed to play until he wins.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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