EPT[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 159
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:08 JackDino wrote: There's been like a 5page discussion where people said riven completely destroys pantheon. Guitar is bad though so dunno. ok I could spend 5 pages explaining how Gangplank rapes Pantheon's ass raw, but that wouldn't make it true. you can show me those 5 pages and I can tell you where you're wrong, but I'm just saying, I've had to play the matchup several times and I've always crushed her. On December 09 2011 06:12 JackDino wrote: About Irelia, jax shouldn't have any problems with irelia, can deny her farm with auto W auto the same way pant uses auto spear auto. Jax does both dmg so she can't just stack either MR/armour and once he gets Tabi irelia W doesn't do that much either. I've always just gone wriggle's -> sotd vs. Jax and crushed him with Irelia. I have no respect for Jax, never been impressed. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:04 Ryalnos wrote: You have a mr glyph/quint rune page? I guess null-magic mantle, runes, masteries makes: 30+24+13.5+13.5+6 = 87, not bad... MR rune pages don't come up nearly as often as armor pages, but I suppose they have their potential uses as well, seems more situational than armor though. It is a very situational rune page, I call it vs Akali, but I saw the enemy picked gragas and fizz, with noct ez and alistar, so I figured yeah im going up against some ap guy, but man did the ez shit on me mid game. Started 5-2 before 20 minutes and ended 6-6. Didn't take any defensive masteries went 21-0-9 with mr quints and flat mr blues. I was actively looking for chances to trade hits with him (basically blowing w cd when ever we trade) cause he has no sustain, and I'm going to be able to get my life back while taking less damage. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:08 JackDino wrote: There's been like a 5page discussion where people said riven completely destroys pantheon. Guitar is bad though so dunno. Guitar is like a 1500 player in the 1600 elo bracket while wearing 1200 elo girl earrings. All while being on an 1800 elo level team. Why would you ever believe him lol. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:14 BlackPaladin wrote: Guitar is like a 1500 player in the 1600 elo bracket while wearing 1200 elo girl earrings. All while being on an 1800 elo level team. Why would you ever believe him lol. Navi was also arguing Riven>Pant, together with Guitar. On December 09 2011 06:12 Mogwai wrote: I've always just gone wriggle's -> sotd vs. Jax and crushed him with Irelia. I have no respect for Jax, never been impressed. I never see that item I forgot it exists lol. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:08 JackDino wrote: There's been like a 5page discussion where people said riven completely destroys pantheon. Guitar is bad though so dunno. Needs more Brees challenging anyone to try to beat him on Pant as Riven, followed by nobody stepping up to the plate. Imo. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:12 Mogwai wrote: ok I could spend 5 pages explaining how Gangplank rapes Pantheon's ass raw, but that wouldn't make it true. you can show me those 5 pages and I can tell you where you're wrong, but I'm just saying, I've had to play the matchup several times and I've always crushed her. I've always just gone wriggle's -> sotd vs. Jax and crushed him with Irelia. I have no respect for Jax, never been impressed. Wriggles to sotd would problebly work against Udyr pretty effectively too. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:53 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: I rarely see anyone playing rumble. In the last 100 games of mine I saw a rumble twice - once I was nasus and rumble was just raping the other team. Second I was mid malzahar vs rumble - it was tough but I managed to win the lane, and shortly after we won the game. Rumble isn't very good mid because he has bad match ups against most of the AP carries. He's amazing at taking down almost anyone who solo tops though. | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
On the other hand, arguably riven is better late, so by how much would you have to win as panth to justify playing him against riven? | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
i've been on a league hiatus due to work and dota2, but i'm free this weekend and maybe tonight if u want to test it out mogwai :3 | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:01 mordek wrote: Always cool to see TLers on stream. Looks like therealdevil is on gman's. DA FUCK? No love for me? I'm Teutonica. Hero flash skarner! We randomly ended up in the same team. I've pwned gman many a time since he got to the 2k elo range. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:21 Slayer91 wrote: DA FUCK? No love for me? I'm Teutonica. Hero flash skarner! We randomly ended up in the same team. I've pwned gman many a time since he got to the 2k elo range. I remember you you the guy that chased some noob in top5 lol plays and lost the teamfight lol. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:18 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: How does pantheon scale late game compared to the current popular solo tops? in a word: poorly | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:21 Slayer91 wrote: DA FUCK? No love for me? I'm Teutonica. Hero flash skarner! We randomly ended up in the same team. I've pwned gman many a time since he got to the 2k elo range. <3 I'm only kinda watching stream, didn't catch half the opposing team's names. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:22 JackDino wrote: I remember you you the guy that chased some noob in top5 lol plays and lost the teamfight lol. Yeah, that game was over though, wetdream died in jungle level 1 to a lee sin who did that gank every game and the game was like 2-20 and nobody really cared. And he randomly Q's into my random flash and I die, real spectacular. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:17 Xedat wrote: trying to make the discussion more objective, how exactly do you define "completely destroy" it sounds like you would always get 3 kills and 50 cs ahead of riven as panth evrey or most games. On the other hand, arguably riven is better late, so by how much would you have to win as panth to justify playing him against riven? I have never gone Pantheon vs. Riven and lost my lane without getting camped by mid/jungler. I typically end up substantially ahead in terms of gold and levels. Problem is that without taking time to spam 1v1s, most experience in matchups is such a small sampling that it could be considered anecdotal, so maybe I've just been vs. derpy Rivens, who knows? On December 09 2011 06:18 Navi wrote: i'll play vs pantheon i've been on a league hiatus due to work and dota2, but i'm free this weekend and maybe tonight if u want to test it out mogwai :3 sure. for whatever it's worth, if people make a point of calling me out on a matchup with anyone I actually play, I'm always happy to play 1v1s if only to learn the matchup better. | ||
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Lounge
537 Posts
Started regrowth and I played somewhat aggressive and forced a lot of trades, some where I'd win some where I'd lose but it eventually got her oom/out of pots. Once I had wriggles I never had to leave lane and just kept forcing trades to blow her mana. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:02 Alzadar wrote: Man, just bought Blitzcrank and he is fun as hell. Granted our team was fucked so it was me and Garen bot lane, which means practically a guaranteed kill if I land my grab, but even with a standard bot lane he seems like a monster. Seems like his core is RoA, Frozen Heart, Banshee's? You end up as a super tanky, strong damage CC bot with an amazing chase/initiate. Do people build Manamune on him? Philo if supporting? No that's a really really unsuitable idea. + Show Spoiler + But if you had to support Blitz.. Faire+3+2 opening, then get Philo, Sheen, Aegis, Mercs, then idk whatever you can. Banshee or Randuin or something. On December 09 2011 06:26 Lounge wrote: I've had luck with Lee Sin against two Irelias top, I don't know if it's just the players I was against or if Lee Sin isn't seen top that they didn't know how to lane against. Started regrowth and I played somewhat aggressive and forced a lot of trades, some where I'd win some where I'd lose but it eventually got her oom/out of pots. Once I had wriggles I never had to leave lane and just kept forcing trades to blow her mana. Hm. Why would you open Regrowth on Lee Sin? You don't make Philo, and if you want Wriggles then a Boots+3 or Cloth+5 works better. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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