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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 21:35:54
December 08 2011 21:34 GMT
#3181
On December 09 2011 06:29 MoonBear wrote:
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On December 09 2011 06:02 Alzadar wrote:
Man, just bought Blitzcrank and he is fun as hell. Granted our team was fucked so it was me and Garen bot lane, which means practically a guaranteed kill if I land my grab, but even with a standard bot lane he seems like a monster.

Seems like his core is RoA, Frozen Heart, Banshee's? You end up as a super tanky, strong damage CC bot with an amazing chase/initiate. Do people build Manamune on him? Philo if supporting?

No that's a really really unsuitable idea.

+ Show Spoiler +
But if you had to support Blitz.. Faire+3+2 opening, then get Philo, Sheen, Aegis, Mercs, then idk whatever you can. Banshee or Randuin or something.


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On December 09 2011 06:26 Lounge wrote:
I've had luck with Lee Sin against two Irelias top, I don't know if it's just the players I was against or if Lee Sin isn't seen top that they didn't know how to lane against.

Started regrowth and I played somewhat aggressive and forced a lot of trades, some where I'd win some where I'd lose but it eventually got her oom/out of pots. Once I had wriggles I never had to leave lane and just kept forcing trades to blow her mana.


Hm. Why would you open Regrowth on Lee Sin? You don't make Philo, and if you want Wriggles then a Boots+3 or Cloth+5 works better.


but but but, mana gibes me hp like singed rite? so i build roas and AA's all day rite?

edit: i have to note that reverie is pretty sexy on blitz too, cdr + hp + movespeed active? yes plz. With w on you move soooo fast :D
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 08 2011 21:35 GMT
#3182
I haven't had any success vs Lee Sin as Irelia, but I only played the match up once. I think my biggest problem was trading at the wrong times.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 08 2011 21:36 GMT
#3183
On December 09 2011 06:26 Mogwai wrote:
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On December 09 2011 06:17 Xedat wrote:
trying to make the discussion more objective, how exactly do you define "completely destroy" it sounds like you would always get 3 kills and 50 cs ahead of riven as panth evrey or most games.

On the other hand, arguably riven is better late, so by how much would you have to win as panth to justify playing him against riven?


I have never gone Pantheon vs. Riven and lost my lane without getting camped by mid/jungler. I typically end up substantially ahead in terms of gold and levels. Problem is that without taking time to spam 1v1s, most experience in matchups is such a small sampling that it could be considered anecdotal, so maybe I've just been vs. derpy Rivens, who knows?

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On December 09 2011 06:18 Navi wrote:
i'll play vs pantheon
i've been on a league hiatus due to work and dota2, but i'm free this weekend and maybe tonight if u want to test it out mogwai :3

sure.

for whatever it's worth, if people make a point of calling me out on a matchup with anyone I actually play, I'm always happy to play 1v1s if only to learn the matchup better.


likewise, i'd play it to learn
unless you play solo queue all day and spam the same champion, its unlikely that you can get comprehensive knowledge of any given matchup because you can change skill orders, summoners, runes, masteries and so can your opponent
too many possible "match ups" even with the same two heroes
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SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
December 08 2011 21:39 GMT
#3184
On December 09 2011 06:35 Sabin010 wrote:
I haven't had any success vs Lee Sin as Irelia, but I only played the match up once. I think my biggest problem was trading at the wrong times.

A decent Lee sin SHOULD dominate Irelia. Especially early so yea.

I have yet to lose to Irelia as Lee sin top - even though I do all kinds of stupid shit in lane.
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 08 2011 21:40 GMT
#3185
On December 09 2011 06:36 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 06:26 Mogwai wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:17 Xedat wrote:
trying to make the discussion more objective, how exactly do you define "completely destroy" it sounds like you would always get 3 kills and 50 cs ahead of riven as panth evrey or most games.

On the other hand, arguably riven is better late, so by how much would you have to win as panth to justify playing him against riven?


I have never gone Pantheon vs. Riven and lost my lane without getting camped by mid/jungler. I typically end up substantially ahead in terms of gold and levels. Problem is that without taking time to spam 1v1s, most experience in matchups is such a small sampling that it could be considered anecdotal, so maybe I've just been vs. derpy Rivens, who knows?

On December 09 2011 06:18 Navi wrote:
i'll play vs pantheon
i've been on a league hiatus due to work and dota2, but i'm free this weekend and maybe tonight if u want to test it out mogwai :3

sure.

for whatever it's worth, if people make a point of calling me out on a matchup with anyone I actually play, I'm always happy to play 1v1s if only to learn the matchup better.


likewise, i'd play it to learn
unless you play solo queue all day and spam the same champion, its unlikely that you can get comprehensive knowledge of any given matchup because you can change skill orders, summoners, runes, masteries and so can your opponent
too many possible "match ups" even with the same two heroes


Then ofc we require that these 1v1s must be recorded in the form of VODs so that we may all be enlightened .
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
December 08 2011 21:41 GMT
#3186
On December 09 2011 06:29 MoonBear wrote:
Hm. Why would you open Regrowth on Lee Sin? You don't make Philo, and if you want Wriggles then a Boots+3 or Cloth+5 works better.


I build it into Warmogs after Wriggles eventually, and I was on a "try not to spend so much money on pots" kick after the patch nerfed them. It's probably safer/wiser to start cloth+5 than regrow+1
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 21:44:58
December 08 2011 21:44 GMT
#3187
i thot most ppl did vamp scepter openings on LS, is that out of fashion now?

edit: assuming jungle, which, now that i think about it, may not be the case
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 21:46:47
December 08 2011 21:44 GMT
#3188
You don't even really need wriggles vs irelia with that W.
Boots3 is a good opening on lee.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 08 2011 21:45 GMT
#3189
On December 09 2011 06:44 barbsq wrote:
i thot most ppl did vamp scepter openings on LS, is that out of fashion now?


For jungle....not for lane? o.O
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 08 2011 21:46 GMT
#3190
On December 09 2011 06:45 BlackPaladin wrote:
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On December 09 2011 06:44 barbsq wrote:
i thot most ppl did vamp scepter openings on LS, is that out of fashion now?


For jungle....not for lane? o.O


yeah, that was my bad for not reading the context.

i would prob do boots or cloth, and if u really feel like u dont need all 5 pots, then grab a ward. i've never played LS outside of the jungle tho, so idk for sure
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
December 08 2011 21:47 GMT
#3191
Is Jax viable top anymore ? I never see him and wonder how to play him, but he seems so out of fashion :/
The legend of Darien lives on
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 08 2011 21:48 GMT
#3192
Gunblade nerf hit him hard, he was considered op for a while but only certain people played him, just fell out of fashion then.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 08 2011 21:49 GMT
#3193
Jax is still strong don't need to op gunblade to be strong.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 08 2011 21:49 GMT
#3194
yes 30-0-0 is the only way to play jax now.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 08 2011 21:50 GMT
#3195
On December 09 2011 06:39 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 06:35 Sabin010 wrote:
I haven't had any success vs Lee Sin as Irelia, but I only played the match up once. I think my biggest problem was trading at the wrong times.

A decent Lee sin SHOULD dominate Irelia. Especially early so yea.

I have yet to lose to Irelia as Lee sin top - even though I do all kinds of stupid shit in lane.

oh god, I think I need to play all of you lee sins. I've never had trouble with this matchup, lol. your sustain makes his look like a fucking joke and you itemize damage + defense against him so much easier than he can vs. you. are the irelias that you guys play against maxing Q/E and like, trying to actively trade pre level 7 or something? Irelia is not rocket science, so fucking easy to just sit around for 7 minutes and then rape everyone.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
December 08 2011 21:51 GMT
#3196
if your going to play jax, teleport is basically mandatory. he can't win many lanes 1v1 straight up and you'll find yourself needing to back before 6 probably. He's good at pushing lane then tele'ing in for a 5v4 bot though. needs kills to become strong
Brees on in
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 21:56:25
December 08 2011 21:55 GMT
#3197
I used to think lee sin beat irelia until I just got bullied around by one building like ninja tabi phage and dorans shield and that's before people discovered wriggles on irelia, or before it became popular, double gp/10 was popular then. Lee sin probably can farm fine against irelia because he has so much annoying shit to use with low cd and no cost but the 65 mana EW trade does so much damage and heals irelia back from whatever burst you have through 140ish armour.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
December 08 2011 22:01 GMT
#3198
i still freakin love jax. beats the shit out of everything and has some of the coolest skins in the game. the gunblade nerf hurt though...
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
December 08 2011 22:03 GMT
#3199
how would you open as jax? Do u rush for gunblade/rageblade? Or wriggles?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 22:09:49
December 08 2011 22:07 GMT
#3200
Open cloth5 on jax, get tabi+wriggles and you should be fine vs most solotops. Gunblade after, you don't need wriggles vs everyone but it's great vs a lot of the melee laners. Also free ward.
Lvling W on jax is quite good vs anyone who's melee because it's 20mana @ all ranks unlike Q which will drain your mana.
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