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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
December 08 2011 22:49 GMT
#3221
Jax is all about picking your engagements. Building up your stun with minion dodges before jumping in is huge. One of the biggest reasons I get Gunblade first, (in addition to the spellvamp) is the Active. Having a ranged nuke has secured me a lot of kills in lane. Sheen is also a really good item for Jax. I sometimes get that after revolver before finishing gunblade. Just kind of depends on who I'm against and how its going.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 08 2011 22:57 GMT
#3222
So crazy idea here, what if Riot went on a perma-banning spree and cleaned up the trolls that blatantly ruin the game for everyone else?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:04:03
December 08 2011 22:58 GMT
#3223
We'd lose what, 3/4ths of TL?

I jest, but I've been surprised over the past year by many people I would never have expected to ragequit/AFK/troll. One terrible day/fey mood and normal people just cease to give a damn about anyone else for a game or two.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:08:18
December 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#3224
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
December 08 2011 23:14 GMT
#3225
On December 09 2011 08:08 Bladeorade wrote:
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar

That's because vaynes kit is too good. Most champions only get scaling off of their AD damage (Corki), but vaynes W also means that all attack speed items also scale in the same way that AD items do. No other carry has anything like that. And her W is true damage, make it AD damage and that would bring her wayyyyyyyyyy down. It's the reason why you see him go something retarded like 2/8, and then end the game 13/8. No matter what he buys, vayne will always out damage another champion with the same items because vayne gets scaling from everything, while other champions don't.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 08 2011 23:17 GMT
#3226
On December 09 2011 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
I have a question, why the hell does TRM type in all caps all the time?

He seems like a 15 year old douche bag. The kind of person I would enjoy punching in the face tbh


iirc he said at one point he started typing in all caps because he couldn't read shit otherwise on his monitor.

Also I think it's cool. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 08 2011 23:19 GMT
#3227
On December 09 2011 08:17 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
I have a question, why the hell does TRM type in all caps all the time?

He seems like a 15 year old douche bag. The kind of person I would enjoy punching in the face tbh


iirc he said at one point he started typing in all caps because he couldn't read shit otherwise on his monitor.

Also I think it's cool. =P

Typing in caps all the time makes caps lose it's value, it's not cool it's effing dumb.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 08 2011 23:28 GMT
#3228
On December 09 2011 08:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:08 Bladeorade wrote:
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar

That's because vaynes kit is too good. Most champions only get scaling off of their AD damage (Corki), but vaynes W also means that all attack speed items also scale in the same way that AD items do. No other carry has anything like that. And her W is true damage, make it AD damage and that would bring her wayyyyyyyyyy down. It's the reason why you see him go something retarded like 2/8, and then end the game 13/8. No matter what he buys, vayne will always out damage another champion with the same items because vayne gets scaling from everything, while other champions don't.

Every character that gets bonus damage/on-hit effects scales off of attack speed.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:29:18
December 08 2011 23:28 GMT
#3229
On December 09 2011 08:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:08 Bladeorade wrote:
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar

That's because vaynes kit is too good. Most champions only get scaling off of their AD damage (Corki), but vaynes W also means that all attack speed items also scale in the same way that AD items do. No other carry has anything like that. And her W is true damage, make it AD damage and that would bring her wayyyyyyyyyy down. It's the reason why you see him go something retarded like 2/8, and then end the game 13/8. No matter what he buys, vayne will always out damage another champion with the same items because vayne gets scaling from everything, while other champions don't.


vayne's damage is fine though for her range/squishiness.

whats broken about her is the stealthing every couple seconds. You can kite way too easily and make a whole team die without even doing any damage by just tumbling around and baiting. add in a knockback stun and welpp...melee never stood a chance
Brees on in
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
December 08 2011 23:31 GMT
#3230
On December 09 2011 08:19 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:17 r.Evo wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
I have a question, why the hell does TRM type in all caps all the time?

He seems like a 15 year old douche bag. The kind of person I would enjoy punching in the face tbh


iirc he said at one point he started typing in all caps because he couldn't read shit otherwise on his monitor.

Also I think it's cool. =P

Typing in caps all the time makes caps lose it's value, it's not cool it's effing dumb.

I disagree
:)
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 08 2011 23:33 GMT
#3231
On December 09 2011 08:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:08 Bladeorade wrote:
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar

That's because vaynes kit is too good. Most champions only get scaling off of their AD damage (Corki), but vaynes W also means that all attack speed items also scale in the same way that AD items do. No other carry has anything like that. And her W is true damage, make it AD damage and that would bring her wayyyyyyyyyy down. It's the reason why you see him go something retarded like 2/8, and then end the game 13/8. No matter what he buys, vayne will always out damage another champion with the same items because vayne gets scaling from everything, while other champions don't.


Dlift was talking on his stream about hypercarries a few days ago. He said that Vayne, Rumble and Karthus were the only true hypercarries left.

I agree that Vayne is very very strong, and her snowball potential is huge.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:36:31
December 08 2011 23:34 GMT
#3232
On December 09 2011 07:29 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:23 Vaporized wrote:
whats everyones thoughts on yorick these days. i just bought him recently cuz i wanted to play a bruiser champ (i mainly play ryze, zilean, or tristana). ive played 5 or so games so far and gotten better each time.

i run 9/21/0 and armor yellows, mres blue, arpen reds and quints.

for items i go manamune +merc treads for early game goals, into triforce + glacial shroud, and finish with warmogs + atmas late game. i just started experimenting with triforce this morning when i played and it felt a lot better then rushing a warmogs or something.

my first games i was getting spirit visage +glacial shroud in the mid game into warmogs but im not really feeling SV much. i didnt do enough damage with SV.

i read yorick was strong early game with a somewhat weaker late game, but as he stands now it feels opposite. i can sustain and farm fairly well early game, but late game with triforce, warmogs, and atmas i was just wrecking people. team fights are a blast too late game, i ult myself because i have 330ad and we just rolled over the other team.

Yorick is strong in lane. Always harass, never die. E and W all day. Start harass at level 1.

His damage does fall off late but if you Ult your AD carry its OP. Vayne/Yorick/Zilean too strong

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:26 Demonace34 wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:22 Bladeorade wrote:
TRM 13K viewers making a complete ass of himself and not even looking like a good player

Double lift 4K


Well most people want to see drama and raging, so that is why you see the number difference. People don't just watch IdrA because he is the best Zerg in the world do they? Stop complaining about who is getting viewers and just watch your favorite streamer, anti-fans are no fun.

Most people want to see drama and raging? There goes my perspective on Teenage to Early 20s males. Personally that sort of bull shit is a huge turn off.

Idra is nothing like any of the ragers I have seen in LoL. LoL rage is just all caps full retard mode, and at the professional level you would never see that in SC2.

I don't get why that would attract viewers but if you say people want to watch it and people are watching it then it must. Mind boggling.


Why do people watch Real World or Jersey Shore, the entertainment comes from watching drama unfold and play out. Why do newspapers and channel 5 have a ton of death and destruction on the front page/screen? If it bleeds it leads, people like that type of stuff.

The difference in my comparison of IdrA is that everyone is basically well mannered in SC2 and treats gg as something to be held on a pedestal. So IdrA is on one end of the spectrum while most of the pro community is on the other...he is the bad boy. In LoL everyone rages from time to time but some people are pissed off ragers, while other people who stream rage and make it entertaining for the viewers. The Odd One rages from time to time about how useless people are or makes fun of a certain build someone is doing, but he also brings entertainment (Lets do dis, EMPIRE, The team is learnin!).

I think TRM gets viewers because
1. He is on TSM and they just won a major tournament.
2. People like that he is known to play a weird champion top lane (teemo).
3. He is skilled top lane.
4. He rages at his team and makes fun of people (which can be funny).
5. He provides insight on why he does certain things.

I don't think rage automatically = more viewers, but having a personality, being unique, being funny and being skilled/on a top team makes it more likely that people will tune in.

Edit: I also don't understand why it seems like you are on a crusade against TRM, just shut off his stream and watch someone else. Don't say "TRM has 10k viewers he doesn't deserve", just watch your favorite streamer.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 08 2011 23:36 GMT
#3233
So when are these awesome pantheon displays? I want to watch!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 08 2011 23:36 GMT
#3234
On December 09 2011 08:31 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:19 JackDino wrote:
On December 09 2011 08:17 r.Evo wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
I have a question, why the hell does TRM type in all caps all the time?

He seems like a 15 year old douche bag. The kind of person I would enjoy punching in the face tbh


iirc he said at one point he started typing in all caps because he couldn't read shit otherwise on his monitor.

Also I think it's cool. =P

Typing in caps all the time makes caps lose it's value, it's not cool it's effing dumb.

I disagree


He said 15 not 13
FADC
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 08 2011 23:38 GMT
#3235
I dunno, maybe it's because it's not in my culture or maybe it's just a querk of mine but I love all the "dude bro WHAT THE FUCK SO BAD MAN" shit on streams. I the same way I can listen to scottish or geordie people speak for hours I just like the nuances of the language. I also think rainmans stream is pretty funny sometimes. He is he kinda trolling himself sometimes for the stage performance on stream. I don't think its intentional but people naturally behave different when they know they're being watched.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 08 2011 23:44 GMT
#3236
On December 09 2011 06:08 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 01:00 Mogwai wrote:
Rhav making me proud with that Panth love. Also she's right, Pantheon is hands down my best counter suggestion for both Riven and Trynd. He just hops so far ahead right off the bat.

There's been like a 5page discussion where people said riven completely destroys pantheon. Guitar is bad though so dunno.

Nothing destroys Smash's Mantheon.
currently rooting for myself.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 08 2011 23:50 GMT
#3237
On December 09 2011 08:33 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On December 09 2011 08:08 Bladeorade wrote:
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar

That's because vaynes kit is too good. Most champions only get scaling off of their AD damage (Corki), but vaynes W also means that all attack speed items also scale in the same way that AD items do. No other carry has anything like that. And her W is true damage, make it AD damage and that would bring her wayyyyyyyyyy down. It's the reason why you see him go something retarded like 2/8, and then end the game 13/8. No matter what he buys, vayne will always out damage another champion with the same items because vayne gets scaling from everything, while other champions don't.


Dlift was talking on his stream about hypercarries a few days ago. He said that Vayne, Rumble and Karthus were the only true hypercarries left.

I agree that Vayne is very very strong, and her snowball potential is huge.

rumble is hypercarry? wtf really?
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
December 08 2011 23:53 GMT
#3238
On December 09 2011 08:33 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 08:14 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On December 09 2011 08:08 Bladeorade wrote:
Holy crap...Doublelift on vayne 14-0 in a game not much longer than 20 minutes........crushed Corki/Blitz with an Ehome AListar

That's because vaynes kit is too good. Most champions only get scaling off of their AD damage (Corki), but vaynes W also means that all attack speed items also scale in the same way that AD items do. No other carry has anything like that. And her W is true damage, make it AD damage and that would bring her wayyyyyyyyyy down. It's the reason why you see him go something retarded like 2/8, and then end the game 13/8. No matter what he buys, vayne will always out damage another champion with the same items because vayne gets scaling from everything, while other champions don't.


Dlift was talking on his stream about hypercarries a few days ago. He said that Vayne, Rumble and Karthus were the only true hypercarries left.

I agree that Vayne is very very strong, and her snowball potential is huge.



How the crap is Rumble a hyper carry? There are plenty of AP characters that do way more damage late-game who actually benefit from stuff like Blue Buff. Even the term itself is pretty silly when used in the context of any LoL champ. There have always been carries with better DPS lategame (Tristana/Kog compared to Ashe/Caitlyn) but calling them "hyper" is mostly meaningless.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 08 2011 23:54 GMT
#3239
On December 09 2011 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
The kind of person I would enjoy punching in the face tbh

You really seem like a perfectly enjoyable person to be around, though.
currently rooting for myself.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 00:03:05
December 08 2011 23:59 GMT
#3240
On December 09 2011 08:34 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:29 Bladeorade wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:23 Vaporized wrote:
whats everyones thoughts on yorick these days. i just bought him recently cuz i wanted to play a bruiser champ (i mainly play ryze, zilean, or tristana). ive played 5 or so games so far and gotten better each time.

i run 9/21/0 and armor yellows, mres blue, arpen reds and quints.

for items i go manamune +merc treads for early game goals, into triforce + glacial shroud, and finish with warmogs + atmas late game. i just started experimenting with triforce this morning when i played and it felt a lot better then rushing a warmogs or something.

my first games i was getting spirit visage +glacial shroud in the mid game into warmogs but im not really feeling SV much. i didnt do enough damage with SV.

i read yorick was strong early game with a somewhat weaker late game, but as he stands now it feels opposite. i can sustain and farm fairly well early game, but late game with triforce, warmogs, and atmas i was just wrecking people. team fights are a blast too late game, i ult myself because i have 330ad and we just rolled over the other team.

Yorick is strong in lane. Always harass, never die. E and W all day. Start harass at level 1.

His damage does fall off late but if you Ult your AD carry its OP. Vayne/Yorick/Zilean too strong

On December 09 2011 07:26 Demonace34 wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:22 Bladeorade wrote:
TRM 13K viewers making a complete ass of himself and not even looking like a good player

Double lift 4K


Well most people want to see drama and raging, so that is why you see the number difference. People don't just watch IdrA because he is the best Zerg in the world do they? Stop complaining about who is getting viewers and just watch your favorite streamer, anti-fans are no fun.

Most people want to see drama and raging? There goes my perspective on Teenage to Early 20s males. Personally that sort of bull shit is a huge turn off.

Idra is nothing like any of the ragers I have seen in LoL. LoL rage is just all caps full retard mode, and at the professional level you would never see that in SC2.

I don't get why that would attract viewers but if you say people want to watch it and people are watching it then it must. Mind boggling.


Why do people watch Real World or Jersey Shore, the entertainment comes from watching drama unfold and play out. Why do newspapers and channel 5 have a ton of death and destruction on the front page/screen? If it bleeds it leads, people like that type of stuff.

The difference in my comparison of IdrA is that everyone is basically well mannered in SC2 and treats gg as something to be held on a pedestal. So IdrA is on one end of the spectrum while most of the pro community is on the other...he is the bad boy. In LoL everyone rages from time to time but some people are pissed off ragers, while other people who stream rage and make it entertaining for the viewers. The Odd One rages from time to time about how useless people are or makes fun of a certain build someone is doing, but he also brings entertainment (Lets do dis, EMPIRE, The team is learnin!).

I think TRM gets viewers because
1. He is on TSM and they just won a major tournament.
2. People like that he is known to play a weird champion top lane (teemo).
3. He is skilled top lane.
4. He rages at his team and makes fun of people (which can be funny).
5. He provides insight on why he does certain things.

I don't think rage automatically = more viewers, but having a personality, being unique, being funny and being skilled/on a top team makes it more likely that people will tune in.

Edit: I also don't understand why it seems like you are on a crusade against TRM, just shut off his stream and watch someone else. Don't say "TRM has 10k viewers he doesn't deserve", just watch your favorite streamer.

I figured the people that would be interested in watching LoL would not have the same interests as people watching Real World/Jersey Shore. Seems like two different demographics.

How in the world did it seem like I am on a crusade against TRM? I dont care what he does or why he does it. I can't state my opinion on his douche bagginess? I seriously doubt I am the first person to ever say something about it. Also never said he didn't deserve his viewers, I did turn off his stream but I felt like commenting about it. Why are you on a crusade against my opinion?

On December 09 2011 08:54 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
The kind of person I would enjoy punching in the face tbh

You really seem like a perfectly enjoyable person to be around, though.

Haha thank you


Anyway this is kind of pointless people have differing opinions and that's cool
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