so will the meta shift back to roamer or maybe even 2 top perhaps? with the potion nerfs and creep aggro nerfs I feel like you could just zone their top hard if they try to jungle.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

November 29 2011 16:31 GMT

#264

On November 30 2011 01:24 Craton wrote:
had 66 cs at 9:40 with clearing nonstop minus backing once for boots 2 at ~6:40

was level 7 i think and felt fairly poor, use 3 pots the entire time to be full hp

if you gank, you are 100% guaranteed to lose out on creep exp/gold (which are really low now) because of their respawn time

Who were you using to jungle? On average you were clearing 2.75 camps per minute, which is farther from the ideal of 4 camps per minute than I would have expected.

Also, the minimum gold opportunity cost of ganking is 100g based on my spreadsheet, unless your other lanes use the opportunity to clear your small camps between creep waves (but you're still out the gold/exp).

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

November 29 2011 16:33 GMT

#265

On November 30 2011 01:24 Two_DoWn wrote:

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Naw, he was the best solo mid, and a decent solo top. Now he still a very good solo mid, and pretty meh solo top.

talon was only good since people dont have enough rune pages, all you had to do was put armor yellows on your caster page and stay away from creeps like you would mordekaiser. but I already discussed this.

Craton

United States17262 Posts

November 29 2011 16:37 GMT

#266

did ww clear using dblade to try and max speed

first clear 100% hp, but he can't make it back to wolves before wraiths respawn

don't hit level 5 until 6:04

6 at 7:39 after last small minion of 2nd blue

1795g earned at 9:41 with 59 cs, 0 backs, level 7, 141/900 exp through level

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

November 29 2011 16:43 GMT

#267

Random question - how much are you "forced" to have a jungler now, instead of having another double lane?

For example, if the other team has a poor 1v2 top lane, run an abusive top lane and completely zone him. If lane is pushed, you can go into your jungle for a bit. Heck, one of you can even roam. I haven't played the patch yet, but from what everyone is saying you have to stay in jungle to not risk falling way behind, and early on the jungle gold is pretty bad anyway.

EDIT: looks like Brees asked right above me. I guess I'm not the only one wondering this.

unichan

United States4223 Posts

November 29 2011 16:47 GMT

#268

On November 30 2011 01:30 gtrsrs wrote:

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comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue jungler

not ruly
like, when was the last time you saw someone play WW in high elo solo q, tier 1 maybe in low elo like mine but if you're gonna say that he is one of the best options out there, pick/ban in even 1 out of 3 games, then lol ^_^

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

November 29 2011 16:49 GMT

#269

On November 30 2011 01:30 gtrsrs wrote:

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comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue top laner

fixed

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

November 29 2011 16:53 GMT

#270

On November 30 2011 01:47 unichan wrote:

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If you don't include Rammus/Skarner/Shaco, who are almost perma-banned, WW was really freaking good in solo queue in pretty much any elo.

unichan

United States4223 Posts

November 29 2011 16:56 GMT

#271

On November 30 2011 01:53 Sandster wrote:

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Outside of Rammus/Skarner/Shaco, who are almost perma-banned, WW was really freaking good in solo queue.

he was a while ago but lee sin, riven, udyr, maybe trundle and fiddle recently seen shit load more than him, i have honestly saw ww like twice in my games or on stream in the last few weeks lol

Craton

United States17262 Posts

November 29 2011 17:00 GMT

#272

udyr run 2, dblade start

1910g, level 7, 672/900, 66cs @9:40, 1 back

boots 3 prob best since only limiting factor is getting to camps faster

Niton

United States2395 Posts

November 29 2011 17:06 GMT

#273

Gonna do an Amumu test, i'll post results here after.

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

November 29 2011 17:06 GMT

#274

On November 30 2011 01:37 Craton wrote:
did ww clear using dblade to try and max speed

first clear 100% hp, but he can't make it back to wolves before wraiths respawn

don't hit level 5 until 6:04

6 at 7:39 after last small minion of 2nd blue

1795g earned at 9:41 with 59 cs, 0 backs, level 7, 141/900 exp through level

On November 30 2011 02:00 Craton wrote:
udyr run 2, dblade start

1560g, level 7, 672/900, 66cs @9:40, 1 back

boots 3 prob best since only limiting factor is getting to camps faster

How does the gold work in that? You're ahead on cs and levels on Udyr despite going back once, and yet way behind on gold? 0/21/9 with MS quints and boots3 sounds awesome on Udyr.

Loomies

United States645 Posts

November 29 2011 17:08 GMT

#275

Hotshot is about to hit 20k viewers....and this is a non-tournament stream. Real

Lanzoma

Mexico813 Posts

November 29 2011 17:13 GMT

#276

He's streaming the new hero, what do you expect.

Craton

United States17262 Posts

November 29 2011 17:13 GMT

#277

words cannot express my disgust for jungle 0.2

How does the gold work in that? You're ahead on cs and levels on Udyr despite going back once, and yet way behind on gold? 0/21/9 with MS quints and boots3 sounds awesome on Udyr.

The later you kill them the more gold they're worth

I prob also subtracted something wrong somewhere.
yeah i did, i only subtracted tabi as 500 when it should've been 850