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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 29 2011 16:30 GMT
#261
On November 30 2011 01:29 Bwaaaa wrote:
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?


comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue jungler
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 29 2011 16:30 GMT
#262
On November 30 2011 01:29 Bwaaaa wrote:
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?


I doubt it - unless Riot tweaks the numbers, the jungle is worse than it was before for EXP.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 29 2011 16:30 GMT
#263
so will the meta shift back to roamer or maybe even 2 top perhaps? with the potion nerfs and creep aggro nerfs I feel like you could just zone their top hard if they try to jungle.
Brees on in
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 29 2011 16:31 GMT
#264
On November 30 2011 01:24 Craton wrote:
had 66 cs at 9:40 with clearing nonstop minus backing once for boots 2 at ~6:40

was level 7 i think and felt fairly poor, use 3 pots the entire time to be full hp

if you gank, you are 100% guaranteed to lose out on creep exp/gold (which are really low now) because of their respawn time


Who were you using to jungle? On average you were clearing 2.75 camps per minute, which is farther from the ideal of 4 camps per minute than I would have expected.

Also, the minimum gold opportunity cost of ganking is 100g based on my spreadsheet, unless your other lanes use the opportunity to clear your small camps between creep waves (but you're still out the gold/exp).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 29 2011 16:33 GMT
#265
On November 30 2011 01:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:57 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:48 JackDino wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:40 Noocta wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:38 Bladeorade wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

How do you figure? He can harass with little retaliation and has crazy burst. Starting cloth 5 Pots into tabi and bruta is cheap and so strong IMO.


Yeah.. having build in sustain require to be a viable laner is something 6 month old.
He have basicly free manacost too.
Look at Talon before he nerf. No sustain, Mana, melee. Still one of the best solotop in the game for weeks.

Talon is far from being the best solotop lol.

Before his 2 big nerfs he was very close to it.

Naw, he was the best solo mid, and a decent solo top. Now he still a very good solo mid, and pretty meh solo top.


talon was only good since people dont have enough rune pages, all you had to do was put armor yellows on your caster page and stay away from creeps like you would mordekaiser. but I already discussed this.
Brees on in
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:38:07
November 29 2011 16:37 GMT
#266
did ww clear using dblade to try and max speed

first clear 100% hp, but he can't make it back to wolves before wraiths respawn

don't hit level 5 until 6:04

6 at 7:39 after last small minion of 2nd blue

1795g earned at 9:41 with 59 cs, 0 backs, level 7, 141/900 exp through level
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:45:48
November 29 2011 16:43 GMT
#267
Random question - how much are you "forced" to have a jungler now, instead of having another double lane?

For example, if the other team has a poor 1v2 top lane, run an abusive top lane and completely zone him. If lane is pushed, you can go into your jungle for a bit. Heck, one of you can even roam. I haven't played the patch yet, but from what everyone is saying you have to stay in jungle to not risk falling way behind, and early on the jungle gold is pretty bad anyway.

EDIT: looks like Brees asked right above me. I guess I'm not the only one wondering this.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 29 2011 16:47 GMT
#268
On November 30 2011 01:30 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:29 Bwaaaa wrote:
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?


comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue jungler

not ruly
like, when was the last time you saw someone play WW in high elo solo q, tier 1 maybe in low elo like mine but if you're gonna say that he is one of the best options out there, pick/ban in even 1 out of 3 games, then lol ^_^
:)
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
November 29 2011 16:49 GMT
#269
On November 30 2011 01:30 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:29 Bwaaaa wrote:
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?


comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue top laner



fixed
hi
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:54:34
November 29 2011 16:53 GMT
#270
On November 30 2011 01:47 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:30 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 30 2011 01:29 Bwaaaa wrote:
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?


comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue jungler

not ruly
like, when was the last time you saw someone play WW in high elo solo q, tier 1 maybe in low elo like mine but if you're gonna say that he is one of the best options out there, pick/ban in even 1 out of 3 games, then lol ^_^


If you don't include Rammus/Skarner/Shaco, who are almost perma-banned, WW was really freaking good in solo queue in pretty much any elo.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 29 2011 16:56 GMT
#271
On November 30 2011 01:53 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 01:47 unichan wrote:
On November 30 2011 01:30 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 30 2011 01:29 Bwaaaa wrote:
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?


comeback from what?
warwick is already like tier 1 solo queue jungler

not ruly
like, when was the last time you saw someone play WW in high elo solo q, tier 1 maybe in low elo like mine but if you're gonna say that he is one of the best options out there, pick/ban in even 1 out of 3 games, then lol ^_^


Outside of Rammus/Skarner/Shaco, who are almost perma-banned, WW was really freaking good in solo queue.

he was a while ago but lee sin, riven, udyr, maybe trundle and fiddle recently seen shit load more than him, i have honestly saw ww like twice in my games or on stream in the last few weeks lol
:)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:17:12
November 29 2011 17:00 GMT
#272
udyr run 2, dblade start

1910g, level 7, 672/900, 66cs @9:40, 1 back

boots 3 prob best since only limiting factor is getting to camps faster
twitch.tv/cratonz
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 29 2011 17:06 GMT
#273
Gonna do an Amumu test, i'll post results here after.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:07:24
November 29 2011 17:06 GMT
#274
On November 30 2011 01:37 Craton wrote:
did ww clear using dblade to try and max speed

first clear 100% hp, but he can't make it back to wolves before wraiths respawn

don't hit level 5 until 6:04

6 at 7:39 after last small minion of 2nd blue

1795g earned at 9:41 with 59 cs, 0 backs, level 7, 141/900 exp through level


On November 30 2011 02:00 Craton wrote:
udyr run 2, dblade start

1560g, level 7, 672/900, 66cs @9:40, 1 back

boots 3 prob best since only limiting factor is getting to camps faster


How does the gold work in that? You're ahead on cs and levels on Udyr despite going back once, and yet way behind on gold? 0/21/9 with MS quints and boots3 sounds awesome on Udyr.
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
November 29 2011 17:08 GMT
#275
Hotshot is about to hit 20k viewers....and this is a non-tournament stream. Real
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
November 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#276
He's streaming the new hero, what do you expect.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:16:20
November 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#277
words cannot express my disgust for jungle 0.2

How does the gold work in that? You're ahead on cs and levels on Udyr despite going back once, and yet way behind on gold? 0/21/9 with MS quints and boots3 sounds awesome on Udyr.

The later you kill them the more gold they're worth

I prob also subtracted something wrong somewhere.
yeah i did, i only subtracted tabi as 500 when it should've been 850
twitch.tv/cratonz
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:16:33
November 29 2011 17:16 GMT
#278
[image loading]

lol
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
November 29 2011 17:17 GMT
#279
We have a funny picture thread you know.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 29 2011 17:19 GMT
#280
i thought the same thing, bought skyrim for my younger siblings when I went home and tried it, got bored in 30 mins. not for everyone i guess.
Brees on in
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