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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 29 2011 15:52 GMT
#241
So wolves-blue-enemy wraiths-your wraiths-red-golems give you lvl 4 than I assume?
Cackle™
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 29 2011 15:55 GMT
#242
On November 30 2011 00:52 TheKefka wrote:
So wolves-blue-enemy wraiths-your wraiths-red-golems give you lvl 4 than I assume?

i hit 4 on a full clear of just my jungle then didnt the next time. Its kinda weird, but honestly if youre gonna counter jungle you gotta leave one lesser mob left so the stupidly fast respawn doesnt happen until they get there and kill that last thing
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 29 2011 15:56 GMT
#243
On November 30 2011 00:55 Kyhron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:52 TheKefka wrote:
So wolves-blue-enemy wraiths-your wraiths-red-golems give you lvl 4 than I assume?

i hit 4 on a full clear of just my jungle then didnt the next time. Its kinda weird, but honestly if youre gonna counter jungle you gotta leave one lesser mob left so the stupidly fast respawn doesnt happen until they get there and kill that last thing

Zilean/Masteries?
It's your boy Guzma!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 29 2011 15:57 GMT
#244
On November 29 2011 23:48 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:40 Noocta wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:38 Bladeorade wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

How do you figure? He can harass with little retaliation and has crazy burst. Starting cloth 5 Pots into tabi and bruta is cheap and so strong IMO.


Yeah.. having build in sustain require to be a viable laner is something 6 month old.
He have basicly free manacost too.
Look at Talon before he nerf. No sustain, Mana, melee. Still one of the best solotop in the game for weeks.

Talon is far from being the best solotop lol.

Before his 2 big nerfs he was very close to it.
The legend of Darien lives on
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 29 2011 16:01 GMT
#245
Thanks for the replies to my questions. Now I just need to wait for some OCD person to collect hard data on the gold/exp scaling of each camp.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 16:02 GMT
#246
On November 30 2011 00:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:26 Seuss wrote:
Those of you testing the new jungle, what are the new respawn timers?

Small camps are 45 seconds and large camps are the same as far as I know. You receive 1/3rd the gold (atleast at the beginning). Also there are minute xp differences between the clears. One clear I got to lvl 3 with 498/500 xp. Another clear I got to lvl 3 with 500/500 xp. It looks like xp scales up, and the large jungle mob gives the same and more gold while the small ones give less now.

edit: with the respawn timers what they are, you can literally spend as much time farming as you want. Now you might have to wait 10 or so second depending on your run speed and clear time, which means you can try counter jungling. The new jungle is actually pretty good. It allows a lot more things now.

also I don't even think you need wriggles now on probably anyone.



based purely on what u said i would imagine that blue first gives most xp as it allows double golums last over wolves last which would mean that you would get more xp assuming that they scale up in a %age
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 29 2011 16:05 GMT
#247
Hotshot playing Volibear on stream. His damage and passive look hella broken from a first glance.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:11:31
November 29 2011 16:08 GMT
#248
On November 30 2011 01:05 Woony wrote:
Hotshot playing Volibear on stream. His damage and passive look hella broken from a first glance.

Dan Dinh is jungling him right now and having orgasms it seems.
Cackle™
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 29 2011 16:11 GMT
#249
So with the jungle changes, never having to leave the jungle and easier clear times makes Junglewick rush-6 sound better... yes?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 29 2011 16:11 GMT
#250
On November 30 2011 00:55 Kyhron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:52 TheKefka wrote:
So wolves-blue-enemy wraiths-your wraiths-red-golems give you lvl 4 than I assume?

i hit 4 on a full clear of just my jungle then didnt the next time. Its kinda weird, but honestly if youre gonna counter jungle you gotta leave one lesser mob left so the stupidly fast respawn doesnt happen until they get there and kill that last thing

without zilean and masterys theres no way possible

doing smalls i was at like 1/4 to near half way to 4 off a full clear
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:18:54
November 29 2011 16:16 GMT
#251
jungle such a joke
3 minute full clear with no help only using 3 pots

On November 30 2011 01:11 mordek wrote:
So with the jungle changes, never having to leave the jungle and easier clear times makes Junglewick rush-6 sound better... yes?

ww clears slow though

but yes you can literally never leave the jungle because by the time you clear wolves>golems and walk back wolves have respawned
twitch.tv/cratonz
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 29 2011 16:16 GMT
#252
volibear looks pretty tite lol too bad they killed AP sivir
:)
kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:18:08
November 29 2011 16:17 GMT
#253
Just did a little testing, and Udyr can clear Wolves>Blue>Full Clear with boots+3 and no leash, and never go below 80% health. That's pretty ridiculous.

Also QQ, I want my classic GP skin. No pubes = No power.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 29 2011 16:20 GMT
#254
6.5 minutes of nonstop clearing jungle only gets you to level 5
twitch.tv/cratonz
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 29 2011 16:22 GMT
#255
On November 30 2011 01:02 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On November 30 2011 00:26 Seuss wrote:
Those of you testing the new jungle, what are the new respawn timers?

Small camps are 45 seconds and large camps are the same as far as I know. You receive 1/3rd the gold (atleast at the beginning). Also there are minute xp differences between the clears. One clear I got to lvl 3 with 498/500 xp. Another clear I got to lvl 3 with 500/500 xp. It looks like xp scales up, and the large jungle mob gives the same and more gold while the small ones give less now.

edit: with the respawn timers what they are, you can literally spend as much time farming as you want. Now you might have to wait 10 or so second depending on your run speed and clear time, which means you can try counter jungling. The new jungle is actually pretty good. It allows a lot more things now.

also I don't even think you need wriggles now on probably anyone.



based purely on what u said i would imagine that blue first gives most xp as it allows double golums last over wolves last which would mean that you would get more xp assuming that they scale up in a %age

Well if you want some numbers, I just did a run writing them down. No times (but yes xp does scale with time). I did wraiths-wolves-blue-wraiths-red-double-wraith-wolves-double-wraiths. Wraiths gave me 138xp, 140xp, 142xp, 176xp. Blue gave 301xp, Red gave 354xp. Wolves gave 144xp, and 147xp. Double gave 143xp, 151xp.
From this It looks like all the non-blue-red camps give the same xp now (instead of doubles giving more).

So the clear route doesn't matter, just pure camps cleared (which is nice to know).
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 29 2011 16:24 GMT
#256
PEDO-BEAR VOLI SKIN!
This is probably the best idea Hotshot had in his life.
Cackle™
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 16:27:09
November 29 2011 16:24 GMT
#257
had 66 cs at 9:40 with clearing nonstop minus backing once for boots 2 at ~6:40

was level 7 i think and felt fairly poor, use 3 pots the entire time to be full hp

if you gank, you are 100% guaranteed to lose out on creep exp/gold (which are really low now) because of their respawn time
twitch.tv/cratonz
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 29 2011 16:24 GMT
#258
On November 30 2011 00:57 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:48 JackDino wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:40 Noocta wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:38 Bladeorade wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

How do you figure? He can harass with little retaliation and has crazy burst. Starting cloth 5 Pots into tabi and bruta is cheap and so strong IMO.


Yeah.. having build in sustain require to be a viable laner is something 6 month old.
He have basicly free manacost too.
Look at Talon before he nerf. No sustain, Mana, melee. Still one of the best solotop in the game for weeks.

Talon is far from being the best solotop lol.

Before his 2 big nerfs he was very close to it.

Naw, he was the best solo mid, and a decent solo top. Now he still a very good solo mid, and pretty meh solo top.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
November 29 2011 16:29 GMT
#259
because of the passive farmfest that the jungle could become could be see WW making a comeback?
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 29 2011 16:30 GMT
#260
I kind of want to try a 2/1/2 setup with AD/Support top and Nunu/X bottom. Nunu can just go into jungle and take Golems every time they pop, top can take Wolves if it wants and mid can take Wraiths.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
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