• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:42
CET 12:42
KST 20:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League New Worlds Star League
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11557 users

[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 11

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 205 Next
Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
November 29 2011 14:14 GMT
#201
no graves nerf?

zzzzz
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 14:15 GMT
#202
On November 29 2011 23:09 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:05 turdburgler wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:03 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

What would you have gotten otherwise?

I for one welcome our new potion changes (since I like to be on the harassing side of things).


well i would of just blindly gone for wriggles for the much faster jungle clears, but in my previous experience with wriggles i find that if i give up blue buff i spend 1000000g on blue potions all game negating the value of the free ward. and again, team buff move speed is the most insane thing for ganking ever. and its good late game too.

Get a catalyst on mumu if you have manaproblems and take it easy. Philo should be enough as long as you don't spam. I never give away the first 2 blues unless it's something like a kassa who wants it.


200 mana return on cata beaten by philo every 2 mins + gp5. then when if i get cata second how can i turn down completly shurelya's which gives aoe movement buff and more regen? :/

seems like if i want to make multiple items in a reasonable time i need to get 2-3 ganks in every game in first 10 mins ;/ against retards this is ezpz but doesnt sound good on paper? should i just go philo > cata > banshees? and ignore shurelyas pretty much entirely? meh all this discussion so pointless due to changes tomorrow where i can prob just never play junglemumu again :D
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
November 29 2011 14:15 GMT
#203
On November 29 2011 23:14 emucxg wrote:
no graves nerf?

zzzzz




yes, because graves totally needs ANOTHER nerf, not like he needed the first one...

hell, lets randomly nerf kassadin while we're at it.
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
November 29 2011 14:15 GMT
#204
On November 29 2011 23:09 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:09 dnastyx wrote:
gp has a new model and a new walk. It's hilarious.

hilariously bad

tell me im not the only one who thinks so

both the splash art and in-game are...ugh...
boomer hands
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 14:16 GMT
#205
WOW. Utility tree doesn't even let you hit 4 off of a full clear. THIS MASTERY TREE IS HORRIBLE OFFENSE/DEFENSE FOREVER
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 29 2011 14:17 GMT
#206
Did anyone try sivir? Thoughts?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 14:18 GMT
#207
On November 29 2011 23:15 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:09 JackDino wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:05 turdburgler wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:03 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

What would you have gotten otherwise?

I for one welcome our new potion changes (since I like to be on the harassing side of things).


well i would of just blindly gone for wriggles for the much faster jungle clears, but in my previous experience with wriggles i find that if i give up blue buff i spend 1000000g on blue potions all game negating the value of the free ward. and again, team buff move speed is the most insane thing for ganking ever. and its good late game too.

Get a catalyst on mumu if you have manaproblems and take it easy. Philo should be enough as long as you don't spam. I never give away the first 2 blues unless it's something like a kassa who wants it.


200 mana return on cata beaten by philo every 2 mins + gp5. then when if i get cata second how can i turn down completly shurelya's which gives aoe movement buff and more regen? :/

seems like if i want to make multiple items in a reasonable time i need to get 2-3 ganks in every game in first 10 mins ;/ against retards this is ezpz but doesnt sound good on paper? should i just go philo > cata > banshees? and ignore shurelyas pretty much entirely? meh all this discussion so pointless due to changes tomorrow where i can prob just never play junglemumu again :D


I just did jungle mummy with the new changes.

Regrowth + Pot gives you a full clear assuming the people pulling are not retarded.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 29 2011 14:20 GMT
#208
On November 29 2011 23:16 dnastyx wrote:
WOW. Utility tree doesn't even let you hit 4 off of a full clear. THIS MASTERY TREE IS HORRIBLE OFFENSE/DEFENSE FOREVER

Meh I like 0/21/9 more on udyr at least.
Cackle™
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 29 2011 14:20 GMT
#209
I think people should be happy. No more double golem lvl 2 ganks from shaco/lee sin. However if you can start at doubles and full clear you're going to get way ahead in levels compared to the other jungler.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
November 29 2011 14:22 GMT
#210
volibear heal op. stupid champion too.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 29 2011 14:26 GMT
#211
On November 29 2011 23:20 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I think people should be happy. No more double golem lvl 2 ganks from shaco/lee sin. However if you can start at doubles and full clear you're going to get way ahead in levels compared to the other jungler.

started at blue a min ago with trundle, just using a vamp scepter and never went below 90% hp

cleared fairly quickly, wolves came up in time to get me lvl4 just as the last small golem died(guessing other junglers will be ahead but still)
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 14:26 GMT
#212
On November 29 2011 23:18 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:15 turdburgler wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:09 JackDino wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:05 turdburgler wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:03 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

What would you have gotten otherwise?

I for one welcome our new potion changes (since I like to be on the harassing side of things).


well i would of just blindly gone for wriggles for the much faster jungle clears, but in my previous experience with wriggles i find that if i give up blue buff i spend 1000000g on blue potions all game negating the value of the free ward. and again, team buff move speed is the most insane thing for ganking ever. and its good late game too.

Get a catalyst on mumu if you have manaproblems and take it easy. Philo should be enough as long as you don't spam. I never give away the first 2 blues unless it's something like a kassa who wants it.


200 mana return on cata beaten by philo every 2 mins + gp5. then when if i get cata second how can i turn down completly shurelya's which gives aoe movement buff and more regen? :/

seems like if i want to make multiple items in a reasonable time i need to get 2-3 ganks in every game in first 10 mins ;/ against retards this is ezpz but doesnt sound good on paper? should i just go philo > cata > banshees? and ignore shurelyas pretty much entirely? meh all this discussion so pointless due to changes tomorrow where i can prob just never play junglemumu again :D


I just did jungle mummy with the new changes.

Regrowth + Pot gives you a full clear assuming the people pulling are not retarded.


isnt boots+3 a faster clear time and higher chance of getting an early gank though?
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 29 2011 14:27 GMT
#213
This patch is filled with too much rage

POST SOME PONIES
[image loading]
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 29 2011 14:28 GMT
#214
On November 29 2011 23:26 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:20 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I think people should be happy. No more double golem lvl 2 ganks from shaco/lee sin. However if you can start at doubles and full clear you're going to get way ahead in levels compared to the other jungler.

started at blue a min ago with trundle, just using a vamp scepter and never went below 90% hp

cleared fairly quickly, wolves came up in time to get me lvl4 just as the last small golem died(guessing other junglers will be ahead but still)

double golem start gets you killing 8 full camps compared to the 5-6 of a blue/wolf start.
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 29 2011 14:31 GMT
#215
On November 29 2011 23:15 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:09 arb wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:09 dnastyx wrote:
gp has a new model and a new walk. It's hilarious.

hilariously bad

tell me im not the only one who thinks so

both the splash art and in-game are...ugh...

he looks like one of those guys you want to punch for just looking/walking like that on a bad day. :/
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 14:34:28
November 29 2011 14:33 GMT
#216
On November 29 2011 23:28 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:26 arb wrote:
On November 29 2011 23:20 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I think people should be happy. No more double golem lvl 2 ganks from shaco/lee sin. However if you can start at doubles and full clear you're going to get way ahead in levels compared to the other jungler.

started at blue a min ago with trundle, just using a vamp scepter and never went below 90% hp

cleared fairly quickly, wolves came up in time to get me lvl4 just as the last small golem died(guessing other junglers will be ahead but still)

double golem start gets you killing 8 full camps compared to the 5-6 of a blue/wolf start.

How?Isn't it the same but you just end up at different sides of the map?
Edit:Don't tell me wolves respawn while your still wacking away at blue-__________-
Cackle™
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
November 29 2011 14:38 GMT
#217
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

How do you figure? He can harass with little retaliation and has crazy burst. Starting cloth 5 Pots into tabi and bruta is cheap and so strong IMO.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 29 2011 14:40 GMT
#218
On November 29 2011 23:38 Bladeorade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:00 rob.au wrote:
Wukong gets owned in lane....melee + mana based + no sustain. So many heroes destroy him in lane.

How do you figure? He can harass with little retaliation and has crazy burst. Starting cloth 5 Pots into tabi and bruta is cheap and so strong IMO.


Yeah.. having build in sustain require to be a viable laner is something 6 month old.
He have basicly free manacost too.
Look at Talon before he nerf. No sustain, Mana, melee. Still one of the best solotop in the game for weeks.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 14:45:40
November 29 2011 14:43 GMT
#219
On November 29 2011 19:56 spinesheath wrote:
So Volibear is an autoattacking version of Singed...

About time they fixed those bugs on Kass and Kog.

Still no idea where people get the "Sivir buff" idea from. Ok, she's gonna be better as a replacement for other ranged ADs (some mix of Cait and Graves), but she's gonna suck at the thing she was good at: Damaging the back row of the enemy team while autoattacking the front row.
She went from a split-pushing and lifesteal-tanking niche character to a short range kiting character that plays like any ranged AD with a couple of random skills.

Maybe she's gonna be really good, I don't know. But even if she turns out OP I wouldn't call it a buff because she's not the same anymore.

Nat (Kjersten) and I were like "oh so it's sing-dyr" -

Sivir can actually skirmish at lower levels now (low levels of ricochet look pretty solid) and the higher levels are still giving her a nasus-Q type auto-reset, though I really feel like the bouncing should be losing less damage per bounce after the rework, since you aren't bouncing 2 attacks per second.

Also new pirate art is clearly a buff.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 14:47:09
November 29 2011 14:44 GMT
#220
On November 29 2011 23:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Did anyone try sivir? Thoughts?

I'm gonna guess something like Manamune BT LW, CDR boots. She's much more fragile now that she can't permanently lifesteal off ricochet bounces, so I'd rely on her Q. 21/0/7(+2 whereever) obv.
The reduced base attack speed is really annoying (and discourages ASpd reliant playstyles/builds).

On November 29 2011 23:43 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 19:56 spinesheath wrote:
So Volibear is an autoattacking version of Singed...

About time they fixed those bugs on Kass and Kog.

Still no idea where people get the "Sivir buff" idea from. Ok, she's gonna be better as a replacement for other ranged ADs (some mix of Cait and Graves), but she's gonna suck at the thing she was good at: Damaging the back row of the enemy team while autoattacking the front row.
She went from a split-pushing and lifesteal-tanking niche character to a short range kiting character that plays like any ranged AD with a couple of random skills.

Maybe she's gonna be really good, I don't know. But even if she turns out OP I wouldn't call it a buff because she's not the same anymore.

Nat (Kjersten) and I were like "oh so it's sing-dyr" -

Sivir can actually skirmish at lower levels now (low levels of ricochet look pretty solid) and the higher levels are still giving her a nasus-Q type auto-reset, though I really feel like the bouncing should be losing less damage per bounce after the rework, since you aren't bouncing 2 attacks per second.

Also new pirate art is clearly a buff.

lol @ mentioning that new ricochet in one sentence with Nasus Q.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 205 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
20:00
2026 Week 30
IntoTheiNu 733
RotterdaM245
WardiTV211
TKL 116
Rex63
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 245
Reynor 208
TKL 116
Codebar 70
Rex 63
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5917
Shuttle 1311
Horang2 986
Jaedong 449
firebathero 347
Rush 247
Stork 232
Light 204
Zeus 166
Soulkey 141
[ Show more ]
Soma 141
Snow 137
Dewaltoss 130
Pusan 106
hero 96
Mind 91
ZerO 87
Hyun 69
soO 31
Creator 21
Movie 18
sorry 16
JYJ 15
Hm[arnc] 13
zelot 13
yabsab 10
Sacsri 7
Counter-Strike
fl0m4898
olofmeister1591
dupreeh609
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes185
Other Games
B2W.Neo704
XaKoH 475
Pyrionflax193
DeMusliM189
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick491
Counter-Strike
PGL160
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 5
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3194
• WagamamaTV197
League of Legends
• Stunt442
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 18m
The PondCast
22h 18m
KCM Race Survival
22h 18m
OSC
1d 2h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
IPSL
3 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
IPSL
4 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.