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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 13:27:12
November 29 2011 13:26 GMT
#181
Someone on Reddit said that the jungle change is aimed to nerf top sustain laners. I mean when you think about it, it's sort of true if you don't need so much sustain to jungle anymore, they can nerf sustain across the board on a lot of champs.

I still think the jungle changes are dumb, but yeah.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 13:33:48
November 29 2011 13:33 GMT
#182
On November 29 2011 22:26 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 22:15 dnastyx wrote:
On November 29 2011 21:33 B.I.G. wrote:
obviously riot doesnt intend for lol to be a game to be taken seriously. we should think of it more as mario party, simple fun for the simple minded.


On one hand, this statement is quite unfounded - they have an eSports division headed by Matt Marcou.

On the other hand, this statement is quite true - they have an eSports division headed by Matt Marcou.


Who is Matt Marcou? Describe him in one word.

Mundo.
I think the jungle changes are fine, if you clear your jungle and there aren't really any ganks possible what do you do, you do nothing.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
November 29 2011 13:38 GMT
#183
Well, North America is now up. Time to try Volibear!
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 29 2011 13:43 GMT
#184
because making gangplank run like shyvana was totally needed

why the fuck did they do that
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 29 2011 13:48 GMT
#185
On November 29 2011 20:21 gaizka wrote:
Man, why do they keep nerfing Jarvan ):

But irelia gets to keep her passive w true damage and so does vayne.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 13:48:46
November 29 2011 13:48 GMT
#186
On November 29 2011 22:15 dnastyx wrote:
obviously riot doesnt intend for lol to be a game to be taken seriously. we should think of it more as mario party, simple fun for the simple minded.

Mario Party is so friggin hardcore. You must never have played it to its full potential.
The legend of Darien lives on
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 29 2011 13:51 GMT
#187
On November 29 2011 21:31 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 21:07 Shiv. wrote:
Is it just me does Volibear's passive icon just look like the me gusta rage face?
Also, why would you build Wit's on Tiger Udyr?

It's just you lol.
Also, building wit's on tiger udyr to be tanky, wether there are better choices is debatable.
"Will fling the target towards volibear" Why can't he just say behind lol.
Why no triforce so dissapointed in phreak.

I would prefer hexdrinker on tiger udyr, with the baller AD ratio on tiger.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 29 2011 13:53 GMT
#188
Sorry if its been asked before but why did they nerf wriggles? Isn't that another disadvantage for junglers who do single target damage when compared to junglers like udyr?

Also QQ I bought Karthus two days ago to troll normals. Is there a good champ I can buy next who is NOT in the danger of getting nerfed?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 14:07:00
November 29 2011 13:53 GMT
#189
On November 29 2011 22:53 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Sorry if its been asked before but why did they nerf wriggles? Isn't that another disadvantage for junglers who do single target damage when compared to junglers like udyr?

Also QQ I bought Karthus two days ago to troll normals. Is there a good champ I can buy next who is NOT in the danger of getting nerfed?

By changing the jungle you don't need a 500 damage proc to clear it safely anymore I'm assuming.

edit: I'm also going to put in my first impression of jungling. First off smite now tells you how much damage it does instead of addition text. Mobs respawn quickly enough where you won't be able to clear your jungle for a long time, you will always have the opportunity to farm if it's what you want to do (say you're losing and need to catch up, always a problem with junglers).

edit2: wraiths, dogs, blue,wraiths, red, golems gets you to 4. Also with the sigil the potion changes are definitely nerfs to laning and not to jungling.

edit3: you can do the lvl 4 run with both amumu and ram.

edit4: shit that run leaves you 1xp (500/500)too sort of 4. Doing 5 pot cloth armor will let you full clear for almost as long as you want with any champion I'm betting.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 13:58 GMT
#190
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 14:00:26
November 29 2011 13:59 GMT
#191
Am I really going to have to go into the utility tree?

You don't hit 4 off of full clear. welp.

EDIT: Regrowth->philo has been a standard amumu build for a while now.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
November 29 2011 14:03 GMT
#192
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

What would you have gotten otherwise?

I for one welcome our new potion changes (since I like to be on the harassing side of things).
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 29 2011 14:03 GMT
#193
On November 29 2011 22:59 dnastyx wrote:
Am I really going to have to go into the utility tree?

You don't hit 4 off of full clear. welp.

EDIT: Regrowth->philo has been a standard amumu build for a while now.


Wouldn't it be better to just kill another small camp since they're gonna come back up so quickly? Ultility tree is just sooo weak compared to others. Even on mages where I need CDR I'm just running defense instead of utility.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#194
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

I'd just get the philo , boots2 then only finish reverie if you don't need ot be really tanky(you probs will need to be) so I'd get a bit tankier than finish reverie. But that's just me, I always go fast HoG instead though.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#195
@ The people crying about the Jarvan "nerf": You realize that it only hurts his earlygame damage a bit, and increases his lategame damage by much more (-2% of 500HP vs +2% of 2000HP)? You also realize that changing the proc to physical increases the damage by quite a bunch?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#196
Udyr clears it too fast T_T
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 29 2011 14:05 GMT
#197
On November 29 2011 23:03 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

What would you have gotten otherwise?

I for one welcome our new potion changes (since I like to be on the harassing side of things).


well i would of just blindly gone for wriggles for the much faster jungle clears, but in my previous experience with wriggles i find that if i give up blue buff i spend 1000000g on blue potions all game negating the value of the free ward. and again, team buff move speed is the most insane thing for ganking ever. and its good late game too.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 14:09 GMT
#198
gp has a new model and a new walk. It's hilarious.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 14:10:11
November 29 2011 14:09 GMT
#199
On November 29 2011 23:05 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 23:03 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On November 29 2011 22:58 turdburgler wrote:
so maybe im a scrub (and this is all subject to change tomorrow when eu gets patch) but i jungled earlier on amumu getting shurelya's (spelling?) super fast, no mandreds at all. my jungle clears were still fine but i found my sustain actually to be much better especially if i tried to gank. mana and hp regen basically kept me out in the field as much as i felt i wanted to and the move speed use is sick. 15% cdr nothing to be laughed at even on a tank. and some nice health i find more valuable than armor on amumu especially early game when if a melee attacks you you just blow them up with e spam anyway.

is this a reasonable item to rush similar time to boots 2 or am i trash?

What would you have gotten otherwise?

I for one welcome our new potion changes (since I like to be on the harassing side of things).


well i would of just blindly gone for wriggles for the much faster jungle clears, but in my previous experience with wriggles i find that if i give up blue buff i spend 1000000g on blue potions all game negating the value of the free ward. and again, team buff move speed is the most insane thing for ganking ever. and its good late game too.

Get a catalyst on mumu if you have manaproblems and take it easy. Philo should be enough as long as you don't spam. I never give away the first 2 blues unless it's something like a kassa who wants it.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 29 2011 14:09 GMT
#200
On November 29 2011 23:09 dnastyx wrote:
gp has a new model and a new walk. It's hilarious.

hilariously bad

tell me im not the only one who thinks so
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
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