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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 9

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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 10:39 GMT
#161
Jax vs GP, would GP shoot Jax to death or would Jax beat GP to death?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 29 2011 10:53 GMT
#162
heal/ignite more op than ever now
harass champs relatively buffed (potions nerfed, minion damage reduced)
cloth 5 pot actually beatable now
cool beans
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 29 2011 10:56 GMT
#163
So Volibear is an autoattacking version of Singed...

About time they fixed those bugs on Kass and Kog.

Still no idea where people get the "Sivir buff" idea from. Ok, she's gonna be better as a replacement for other ranged ADs (some mix of Cait and Graves), but she's gonna suck at the thing she was good at: Damaging the back row of the enemy team while autoattacking the front row.
She went from a split-pushing and lifesteal-tanking niche character to a short range kiting character that plays like any ranged AD with a couple of random skills.

Maybe she's gonna be really good, I don't know. But even if she turns out OP I wouldn't call it a buff because she's not the same anymore.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
November 29 2011 10:58 GMT
#164
On November 29 2011 14:03 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:02 Chrispy wrote:
Too many new champions coming outttt.

Have to play this game 40 hours a week to be able to afford them all with IP.

Might as well get some rp. Need another $25 to get moar runepages anyway.


You know you can buy another rune page in the shop that just costs IP, right?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 11:03 GMT
#165
6300ip for a runepage hella lot of ip better using RP tbh.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
November 29 2011 11:12 GMT
#166
On November 29 2011 19:39 JackDino wrote:
Jax vs GP, would GP shoot Jax to death or would Jax beat GP to death?


Jax dodges GP's bullet, Matrix style. Halfway through, Riot removes dodge and Jax lands unceremoniously on his back. Meanwhile GP noms some oranges.
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
November 29 2011 11:21 GMT
#167
Man, why do they keep nerfing Jarvan ):
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
November 29 2011 11:31 GMT
#168
Without playing Volibear and without having even seen any streams, I can tell that Phreak was way off on the spotlight.

0/21/9... nah man, 21/0/9, Wriggles, Wits End + Tank.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 29 2011 11:40 GMT
#169
On November 29 2011 20:31 -Kato- wrote:
Without playing Volibear and without having even seen any streams, I can tell that Phreak was way off on the spotlight.

0/21/9... nah man, 21/0/9, Wriggles, Wits End + Tank.

So hes tiger Udyr with fling lol
Cackle™
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 11:53:33
November 29 2011 11:52 GMT
#170
I just realized that Volibear is like almost a 1:1 copy of Ursa LOL
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 12:19:36
November 29 2011 12:07 GMT
#171
Is it just me does Volibear's passive icon just look like the me gusta rage face?
Also, why would you build Wit's on Tiger Udyr?
currently rooting for myself.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 12:19 GMT
#172
On November 29 2011 20:21 gaizka wrote:
Man, why do they keep nerfing Jarvan ):


It's a buff to his late game, nerf to his early game. Q + Ghostblade auto with his passive up will probably deal more damage since it's physical now.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 12:34:48
November 29 2011 12:31 GMT
#173
On November 29 2011 21:07 Shiv. wrote:
Is it just me does Volibear's passive icon just look like the me gusta rage face?
Also, why would you build Wit's on Tiger Udyr?

It's just you lol.
Also, building wit's on tiger udyr to be tanky, wether there are better choices is debatable.
"Will fling the target towards volibear" Why can't he just say behind lol.
Why no triforce so dissapointed in phreak.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
November 29 2011 12:33 GMT
#174
obviously riot doesnt intend for lol to be a game to be taken seriously. we should think of it more as mario party, simple fun for the simple minded.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
November 29 2011 12:51 GMT
#175
Lets all see how big the changes are before you toss the game away. As with old patches, its probably not as bad as you think (flashnerf comes to mind)
KCCO!
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
November 29 2011 13:12 GMT
#176
Wouldn't stacking HP on Volibear be the way to go? Wit's End then Atmogs? I thought his W or something benefited off his total HP. Anyway, watching that spotlight made me laugh. Why do they let Phreak do those?

The Hp pot nerf is starting to make dorans openings look a little more appealing for top laners. Removing 250 effective health from a cloth+5pots opening is pretty awesome imo. I always hated opening cloth+5pots for nearly every matchup as Riven. Now when I open Boots+3pots there is only a 300hp difference instead of 400. I guess that isn't too big but every little bit counts.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
noglog
Profile Joined November 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 13:16:15
November 29 2011 13:15 GMT
#177
I'm not sure if riot had competitive play in mind when they made the jungle changes, however the insane warding we see in competitive play is basically a result of the jungler. It's ridiculous that you have to ward every direction the jungler can possibly gank you from including the brush in your own lane just to protect yourself from pretty easy to execute ganks. Even when minions just got to your lane you had to be super cautious because you never know when GP is going to decide he's going to level 2 gank this game.

Granted there generally weren't many successful ganks in competitive play as there are counter measures against it (playing cautious until the jungler is spotted, warding everywhere), if Riot plans on ever trying to limit the amount of wards and decreasing cautious lane play then it would be a step in the right direction to both tone down jungler ganks and make it a more costly exercise. I don't think a fiddle should be rewarded for clearing the jungle and camping bot lane brush until he can successfully get an ult on them. We don't really want teams to HAVE to ward a specific place or lose the game (ie fiddle gets double kill, team gets bot tower + dragon).

I would rather have junglers afk farm, have riot limit the amount of wards you can have on the map and let mid laners and supports take a more active role in ganking. At least when people are missing from lane you can feel ok about playing a bit passive because you know they are missing out on exp/gold to attempt to gank someone, with junglers in LoL you will go back to base at full hp and full mana even if your destroying your lane just because you don't have a ward. I'm all for warding distinguishing player skill somewhat but it doesn't even do that in LoL right now since you have unlimited supply, they are cheap, and they prevent certain death from jungler ganks so it's always the right choice to put a ward down wherever you want.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
November 29 2011 13:15 GMT
#178
On November 29 2011 21:33 B.I.G. wrote:
obviously riot doesnt intend for lol to be a game to be taken seriously. we should think of it more as mario party, simple fun for the simple minded.


On one hand, this statement is quite unfounded - they have an eSports division headed by Matt Marcou.

On the other hand, this statement is quite true - they have an eSports division headed by Matt Marcou.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 29 2011 13:25 GMT
#179
On November 29 2011 12:55 Ryuu314 wrote:
Hate the jungle changes so much. Healing sigil is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of. There is zero incentive to counterjungle and less incentive to leave the jungle to gank. Depending on how much the sigils heal you could probably never ever have to buy potions as a jungler either.

Grats to Riot catering to the nubs. It's like they don't even realize that a ton of aggression at high levels in early game is due to jungle control, which is now neutered.
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On November 29 2011 12:55 Alzadar wrote:
On November 29 2011 12:50 Goshawk. wrote:
Another thing to note is that the creep killer now gets all xp+gold, so teams can just kill the blue/red buff with the jungler there and give him basically instant level 2 and leave him with full hp.


Wait, all creeps? That would dwarf all other changes by far.

not all creeps, just neutrals

Steal their healing sigils. Counterjungling is different, it's not gone. Big wraith, big wolf, big small golem (wat) are also all >60% of the camp's exp, and with camps getting stronger by the minute, if you can dick over the enemy jungler enough pre-wriggles theyre gonna be sad.

I was saying this even before the second stonewall video, too, just based on info we had. Hell, counterjungling might even be easier, who knows. With pots less effective, that healing sigil is gonna be important for a lot of junglers.

I expect in top level arranged games, yeah, we won't see as many gank attempts, but given gank attempts' failure at top level, that's not strange. We'll probably see MORE counterjungling from them, especially when one side doesn't have a superfarmy jungle.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
November 29 2011 13:26 GMT
#180
On November 29 2011 22:15 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 21:33 B.I.G. wrote:
obviously riot doesnt intend for lol to be a game to be taken seriously. we should think of it more as mario party, simple fun for the simple minded.


On one hand, this statement is quite unfounded - they have an eSports division headed by Matt Marcou.

On the other hand, this statement is quite true - they have an eSports division headed by Matt Marcou.


Who is Matt Marcou? Describe him in one word.
Never make a hydralisk.
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