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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 8

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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 29 2011 09:07 GMT
#141
The OddOne is shitting in your living room right now because he ran Flash on Shaco.
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
November 29 2011 09:08 GMT
#142
saint: "letting oddone shaco is like letting your dog shit on your rug" LOOOOOOOL drunk saint is the fuckin best
jaedong the man with the huge dong
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 29 2011 09:14 GMT
#143
I was secretly hoping that volibear would be a half assed wildsoul remake where the bear summoned a savage human that monkeyed around on all 4s and rooted people.

Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
November 29 2011 09:16 GMT
#144
Was I the only one that thought the Lux skin would be Death Star related?
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
November 29 2011 09:20 GMT
#145
On November 29 2011 17:40 benefluence wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 17:26 gtrsrs wrote:
that must be the new tempest janna, it's too similar not to be

It's pretty obviously ice themed, isn't it? Blizzard Janna, maybe.

Its crystals dude.... Riot loves crystals.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 09:20 GMT
#146
On November 29 2011 18:20 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 17:40 benefluence wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:26 gtrsrs wrote:
that must be the new tempest janna, it's too similar not to be

It's pretty obviously ice themed, isn't it? Blizzard Janna, maybe.

Its crystals dude.... Riot loves crystals.

You mean gems.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 09:22:52
November 29 2011 09:22 GMT
#147
On November 29 2011 18:20 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:20 Treadmill wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:40 benefluence wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:26 gtrsrs wrote:
that must be the new tempest janna, it's too similar not to be

It's pretty obviously ice themed, isn't it? Blizzard Janna, maybe.

Its crystals dude.... Riot loves crystals.

You mean gems.

Gems are only for Taric. But with the advent of Skarner EVERYBODY GETS CRYSTALS!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 09:24 GMT
#148
On November 29 2011 18:22 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:20 JackDino wrote:
On November 29 2011 18:20 Treadmill wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:40 benefluence wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:26 gtrsrs wrote:
that must be the new tempest janna, it's too similar not to be

It's pretty obviously ice themed, isn't it? Blizzard Janna, maybe.

Its crystals dude.... Riot loves crystals.

You mean gems.

Gems are only for Taric. But with the advent of Skarner EVERYBODY GETS CRYSTALS!

Yes that's why Gems, it's actually a Taric skin, thought it was pretty clear.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 09:26:00
November 29 2011 09:25 GMT
#149
On November 29 2011 18:05 TheYango wrote:
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On November 29 2011 17:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:10 TheYango wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:08 gtrsrs wrote:
leona jungle is totally legit, i've been winning left and right with it
your first clear is a bit slow but every gank is almost garen-teed a kill. your damage output is like second to none if your gank partner can stagger their damage to get your proc 3 times. not to mention you've got a full 9 minutes of CC every gank.
ofc, leona can't carry, so you do put the game in your teammates' hands. but it's comforting to know that you can give them a very very sizeable lead early

i wouldn't pick her if the enemy team picks skarner, udyr, or rammus though. since her first run is so slow (at least 30 seconds slower than skarner) you can get fuxxed really hard by a strong counterjungler

I've been considering picking up Leona for jungle. My only concern has been whether or not she'll be good after the remake.


Seems like she would be a much stronger jungle post-remake actually

It depends how the new jungle is across the board. She will clear better, but her insane gank potential is wasted if junglers can't gank that often without falling behind because of the faster respawn times.


Oh I don't know, that gank potential comes from all the same stuff that gives her teamfight strength. If nobody is great on the basis of their ganking power now it's not like that puts her behind the curve, she's fantastic in group fights of any kind.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 29 2011 09:29 GMT
#150
On November 29 2011 15:25 redtooth wrote:
you've been waiting your whole life to make the general discussion thread haven't you


One step closer to being moonbear, he's done it too. i actually waited hella long. saw the patch notes were up, went and got a drink, texted a friend a few times, wandered back into the kitchen to see if there was some pie left, had some casu marzu, came back, was like, fuck it I'll take it
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 09:30:17
November 29 2011 09:30 GMT
#151
On November 29 2011 18:24 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:22 Treadmill wrote:
On November 29 2011 18:20 JackDino wrote:
On November 29 2011 18:20 Treadmill wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:40 benefluence wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:26 gtrsrs wrote:
that must be the new tempest janna, it's too similar not to be

It's pretty obviously ice themed, isn't it? Blizzard Janna, maybe.

Its crystals dude.... Riot loves crystals.

You mean gems.

Gems are only for Taric. But with the advent of Skarner EVERYBODY GETS CRYSTALS!

Yes that's why Gems, it's actually a Taric skin, thought it was pretty clear.

Oh yeah, of course, that actually makes sense. I was misled by the skanky outfit, but you're right it has to be Taric. He was deserving a skanky outfit too. Now I want Alistar in a speedo!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 29 2011 09:30 GMT
#152
On November 29 2011 15:19 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 15:06 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 29 2011 15:04 STS17 wrote:
These jungle changes seem drastic and haphazard...

Time to bust out a lot of old favorites.

Jungle Olaf coming back and going to be a strong contender if the farm is really improved that much.

iunno bout that. olaf's problem was always that he needs more gold than jungle gives and his ganks are very mediocre since he has no gap closer and is super reliant on landing his Qs to close the distance. it's easier to just go afkfarm mode in jungle with the changes, but i doubt the jungle will generate nearly enough gold for olaf to be worth it.


Jungle spawns are quicker and they have increased the gold value of the camps. Both of these promote farming in the jungle instead of trying to gank lanes meaning there is a greater emphasis on his strength (clearing camps quickly and farming the jungle) than his weakness (ganking lanes) so this is an indirect buff to him.

Of course this is all speculation, not to mention relative since the other jungler will be getting more farm as well, but if my suspicion that they are trying to bring jungle-farm in line with lane-farm is correct then things should turn out well.

Farming jungle is promoted yes, but the patch notes say the reduced the gold value of camps, which means it should probably even out. But like you said, this is just speculation x]
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 29 2011 09:35 GMT
#153
On November 29 2011 18:30 Ryuu314 wrote:
Farming jungle is promoted yes, but the patch notes say the reduced the gold value of camps, which means it should probably even out. But like you said, this is just speculation x]

The gold value starts out lower, but unlike it currently is, the gold value of camps increases as the game progresses.
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Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
November 29 2011 09:46 GMT
#154
It's making it so you have to farm the jungle more and be forced to gank only a small amount or be punished severely. I'm only half serious when I'm saying all this but yeah... I half expect it.
MIK Terran
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 29 2011 09:55 GMT
#155
It's funny how everyone forgets how good it can be for your team to sacrafice some farm and set a lane back by ganking them because the jungle potentionally has more gold.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 10:09:12
November 29 2011 10:02 GMT
#156
On November 29 2011 18:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:05 TheYango wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:10 TheYango wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:08 gtrsrs wrote:
leona jungle is totally legit, i've been winning left and right with it
your first clear is a bit slow but every gank is almost garen-teed a kill. your damage output is like second to none if your gank partner can stagger their damage to get your proc 3 times. not to mention you've got a full 9 minutes of CC every gank.
ofc, leona can't carry, so you do put the game in your teammates' hands. but it's comforting to know that you can give them a very very sizeable lead early

i wouldn't pick her if the enemy team picks skarner, udyr, or rammus though. since her first run is so slow (at least 30 seconds slower than skarner) you can get fuxxed really hard by a strong counterjungler

I've been considering picking up Leona for jungle. My only concern has been whether or not she'll be good after the remake.


Seems like she would be a much stronger jungle post-remake actually

It depends how the new jungle is across the board. She will clear better, but her insane gank potential is wasted if junglers can't gank that often without falling behind because of the faster respawn times.


Oh I don't know, that gank potential comes from all the same stuff that gives her teamfight strength. If nobody is great on the basis of their ganking power now it's not like that puts her behind the curve, she's fantastic in group fights of any kind.

The thing is, there are a lot of junglers that are competitive now that have weaker ganks than her, particularly early on. It puts her behind those guys because they're hurt less by the inability to gank time-efficiently.

On November 29 2011 18:55 JackDino wrote:
It's funny how everyone forgets how good it can be for your team to sacrafice some farm and set a lane back by ganking them because the jungle potentionally has more gold.

It's sort of self-reinforcing. The guys that are good at farming the jungle are the guys that don't want to trade their farm to stunt the development of another lane because of how they scale so hard. The guys that have mediocre or shitty scaling and can afford to sacrifice their own development in order to stunt a lane's development are the guys that farm too slowly and therefore might not be compelling in the new jungle to begin with (e.g. Nunu).

Giving up your farm to stop someone else's development or to protect the development of someone on your team is only as good as the tradeoff between your scaling. It's not worth it for you to give up your farm to stop someone if you outscale them to begin with. Two players both farming favors the champ that scales better, two players neither farming favors the champ that scales worse. As it stands, most common junglers scale comparably to top laners, better than APs, and worse than bot lane ADs (which are unfortunately often the hardest to gank, because of earlier and more complete ward coverage).
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shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 29 2011 10:26 GMT
#157
"Fixed a bug where Leona's passive and the Dominion center Sigil could cause an immediate double kill against Karthus"

These kind of bugs makes you think how bad their code quality really is.

And good to know that KogMaw bug with double kill was actually gave gold to the killer, not just a cosmetic bug, happened to me twice :C
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
November 29 2011 10:27 GMT
#158
Jungle is completely changed T_T. Just started learning it over the past 2 months...Promoting more jungle farming instead of ganking and now no need to counterjungle as the camps come back so quickly..
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 29 2011 10:29 GMT
#159
On November 29 2011 19:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 29 2011 18:05 TheYango wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:10 TheYango wrote:
On November 29 2011 17:08 gtrsrs wrote:
leona jungle is totally legit, i've been winning left and right with it
your first clear is a bit slow but every gank is almost garen-teed a kill. your damage output is like second to none if your gank partner can stagger their damage to get your proc 3 times. not to mention you've got a full 9 minutes of CC every gank.
ofc, leona can't carry, so you do put the game in your teammates' hands. but it's comforting to know that you can give them a very very sizeable lead early

i wouldn't pick her if the enemy team picks skarner, udyr, or rammus though. since her first run is so slow (at least 30 seconds slower than skarner) you can get fuxxed really hard by a strong counterjungler

I've been considering picking up Leona for jungle. My only concern has been whether or not she'll be good after the remake.


Seems like she would be a much stronger jungle post-remake actually

It depends how the new jungle is across the board. She will clear better, but her insane gank potential is wasted if junglers can't gank that often without falling behind because of the faster respawn times.


Oh I don't know, that gank potential comes from all the same stuff that gives her teamfight strength. If nobody is great on the basis of their ganking power now it's not like that puts her behind the curve, she's fantastic in group fights of any kind.

The thing is, there are a lot of junglers that are competitive now that have weaker ganks than her, particularly early on. It puts her behind those guys because they're hurt less by the inability to gank time-efficiently.


Well, that's not really what I meant... I'm just saying ganks are not her only strength and she probably will gain considerable farming ability so it seems unlikely they ruined jungle leona.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 29 2011 10:39 GMT
#160
This Volibear dude looks to me like a crazy merge of olaf and singed.
Anyone tried him out yet?
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