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epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
December 06 2011 21:19 GMT
#2641
Well this one game I played riven and had 3 bloodthirsters. Enemy trynd was 15/4/14 and had ie and 2 pds. Couldn't do shit against him. I don't think riven beats trynd in duel. Wasn't even close.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 06 2011 21:21 GMT
#2642
So crazy idea popped in my head. At low levels its not uncommon to see 2-1-2 lane setup (even more so wtih jungle changes). Is there a reason not to do Wolves -> Blue with leash using 2-3 people, giving blue to whoever could use it most, and then the other 2-3 people do golems -> Red in similar fashion, giving red to the AD? Everyone shows up at lane but with more xp, gold, and two people have buffs...
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 06 2011 21:22 GMT
#2643
On December 07 2011 06:19 epoc wrote:
Well this one game I played riven and had 3 bloodthirsters. Enemy trynd was 15/4/14 and had ie and 2 pds. Couldn't do shit against him. I don't think riven beats trynd in duel. Wasn't even close.

Well yeah, almost no one can duel Trynd unless you have hard CC for his ult. Riven has more disruptive CC than anything.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 06 2011 21:23 GMT
#2644
On December 07 2011 06:21 mordek wrote:
So crazy idea popped in my head. At low levels its not uncommon to see 2-1-2 lane setup (even more so wtih jungle changes). Is there a reason not to do Wolves -> Blue with leash using 2-3 people, giving blue to whoever could use it most, and then the other 2-3 people do golems -> Red in similar fashion, giving red to the AD? Everyone shows up at lane but with more xp, gold, and two people have buffs...

welcome to the meta of 21 months ago.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 06 2011 21:23 GMT
#2645
On December 07 2011 06:19 epoc wrote:
Well this one game I played riven and had 3 bloodthirsters. Enemy trynd was 15/4/14 and had ie and 2 pds. Couldn't do shit against him. I don't think riven beats trynd in duel. Wasn't even close.


in a duel yep, because tryn ult and ad debuff always gonna make him win that kind of ad carry fight.
But Riven hit almost as hard, can aoe way more, and have 2 cc (one being a aoe stun).

Get a late IE on her too. I usualy do doran blade mercury BT GA IE. I think an IE lategame is always better than another BT.
I made some 1400 hit with passive charge up during ult, was pretty ridiculous.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 06 2011 21:25 GMT
#2646
I have seen Riven shit on Trynd many a time in ranked.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 06 2011 21:25 GMT
#2647
On December 07 2011 06:19 epoc wrote:
Well this one game I played riven and had 3 bloodthirsters. Enemy trynd was 15/4/14 and had ie and 2 pds. Couldn't do shit against him. I don't think riven beats trynd in duel. Wasn't even close.


that's why you push with your team and attack with your 3 AOE AD SCALING ABILITIES HRM HRM
of course on 6 items people for whom the majority of their kits are designed around 1v1ing will beat those who are not i.e. jax trynda
her 1v1 is strong, but her greatest strength is in her teamfighting, and this also happens to be a team game lol
Hey! Listen!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 06 2011 21:25 GMT
#2648
On December 07 2011 06:15 Mogwai wrote:
I expect megaman weapon nods with all of his abilities.

Alright, this is a crazy idea, but what if his abilities changed with buffs? Like, you get blue, and he has the Ice Slasher look, red has Fire Storm, and dual buff has like, Rolling Cutter?

I'd lol so hard and instabuy so fast my fingers would break.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 21:28:57
December 06 2011 21:26 GMT
#2649
On December 07 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:21 mordek wrote:
So crazy idea popped in my head. At low levels its not uncommon to see 2-1-2 lane setup (even more so wtih jungle changes). Is there a reason not to do Wolves -> Blue with leash using 2-3 people, giving blue to whoever could use it most, and then the other 2-3 people do golems -> Red in similar fashion, giving red to the AD? Everyone shows up at lane but with more xp, gold, and two people have buffs...

welcome to the meta of 21 months ago.

Heh, thanks Smash I started playing maybe 4 months ago. Why is this out of fashion?

Edit: Also jungle respawns a lot faster so even if you had a jungler the impact is smaller. Is it too easily invaded?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 06 2011 21:32 GMT
#2650
On December 07 2011 06:26 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:21 mordek wrote:
So crazy idea popped in my head. At low levels its not uncommon to see 2-1-2 lane setup (even more so wtih jungle changes). Is there a reason not to do Wolves -> Blue with leash using 2-3 people, giving blue to whoever could use it most, and then the other 2-3 people do golems -> Red in similar fashion, giving red to the AD? Everyone shows up at lane but with more xp, gold, and two people have buffs...

welcome to the meta of 21 months ago.

Heh, thanks Smash I started playing maybe 4 months ago. Why is this out of fashion?

Edit: Also jungle respawns a lot faster so even if you had a jungler the impact is smaller. Is it too easily invaded?

well, the people who care about mix/maxing all play with junglers now, so no one but the casual crowd plays 2-1-2 and none of them really think about how to utilize the jungle without a jungler. at least that's my take on it.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 06 2011 21:52 GMT
#2651
On December 07 2011 06:25 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:15 Mogwai wrote:
I expect megaman weapon nods with all of his abilities.

Alright, this is a crazy idea, but what if his abilities changed with buffs? Like, you get blue, and he has the Ice Slasher look, red has Fire Storm, and dual buff has like, Rolling Cutter?

I'd lol so hard and instabuy so fast my fingers would break.

Great idea, most likely too hard to implement for riot:p.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 06 2011 21:55 GMT
#2652
On December 07 2011 06:25 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:15 Mogwai wrote:
I expect megaman weapon nods with all of his abilities.

Alright, this is a crazy idea, but what if his abilities changed with buffs? Like, you get blue, and he has the Ice Slasher look, red has Fire Storm, and dual buff has like, Rolling Cutter?

I'd lol so hard and instabuy so fast my fingers would break.

AMG WHAT IF WHEN HE DIES HE EXPLODES INTO ROUND PARTICLES

I don't even own Ez and prob wouldn't buy for this anyway, but on that note, wasn't there a Megaman Tristana skin in the game files forever? What the hell happened to that?
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 06 2011 21:59 GMT
#2653
On December 07 2011 06:32 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:26 mordek wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
On December 07 2011 06:21 mordek wrote:
So crazy idea popped in my head. At low levels its not uncommon to see 2-1-2 lane setup (even more so wtih jungle changes). Is there a reason not to do Wolves -> Blue with leash using 2-3 people, giving blue to whoever could use it most, and then the other 2-3 people do golems -> Red in similar fashion, giving red to the AD? Everyone shows up at lane but with more xp, gold, and two people have buffs...

welcome to the meta of 21 months ago.

Heh, thanks Smash I started playing maybe 4 months ago. Why is this out of fashion?

Edit: Also jungle respawns a lot faster so even if you had a jungler the impact is smaller. Is it too easily invaded?

well, the people who care about mix/maxing all play with junglers now, so no one but the casual crowd plays 2-1-2 and none of them really think about how to utilize the jungle without a jungler. at least that's my take on it.

That's true. Let's say you are running 1-1-2 and your jungler is a strong counterjungler. Why not do the above, jungler goes wraiths, wraith jack/kill enemy jungler. Heck, give the jungler the red so he can do it more easily. I'm just trying to think of new approaches with the faster jungle respawn. After the jungler invades wolves/golems/wraiths are all up again.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 06 2011 22:01 GMT
#2654
The problem with running 2-1-2 no jungler is that if your opponent does have a jungler and you fail to deny top lane you're most likely gonna be behind.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 06 2011 22:18 GMT
#2655
On December 07 2011 07:01 JackDino wrote:
The problem with running 2-1-2 no jungler is that if your opponent does have a jungler and you fail to deny top lane you're most likely gonna be behind.


Even if you deny top, your mid is going to lose cause their middle will have a blue. Your bottom gets ganked and falls behind? screwed for the rest of the game.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 06 2011 22:23 GMT
#2656
You don´t have to constantly farm the jungle anymore to get the most out of it: http://ggchronicle.com/under-the-hood-raw-jungle-data-and-mathcrafting/
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 06 2011 22:26 GMT
#2657
On December 07 2011 05:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:36 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:30 Woony wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


She has no AoE unlike most other AP carries, she just isn't that good naturally for lategame teamfights because she's a singletarget assasin. And she's super duper squishy and has to get pretty close to nuke somebody.


Her W is AoE, and you can make it a double with R, if you need AoE that much, but i can see why she differs from Brand (who has similar AP ratios and similarly 4 damage skills, but much more AoE potential), though people say Brand loses efficiency lategame too.

You're not gonna use her w for damage late game cause it's too suicidal. And lb has great ratios...much much better than brands


Wait, you said someone has better AP ratios than Brand? Really? AP ratio is additive through skills in effectiveness, and you make mostly aoe dmg with him.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 06 2011 22:26 GMT
#2658
On December 07 2011 07:18 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 07:01 JackDino wrote:
The problem with running 2-1-2 no jungler is that if your opponent does have a jungler and you fail to deny top lane you're most likely gonna be behind.


Even if you deny top, your mid is going to lose cause their middle will have a blue. Your bottom gets ganked and falls behind? screwed for the rest of the game.

In the scenario given, blue could be given to mid first and then you have timer on it so you know when to come back. And isn't there a tradeoff of top lane getting ahead while bot lane gets behind? It really comes down to what extent bot gets behind and how far ahead the two up top get of course. I'm not trying to argue but rather re-think things. If it's a dumb idea I want to know why so I can be a better player as I'm comparitively very new to most in this forum.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 06 2011 22:33 GMT
#2659
On December 07 2011 07:01 JackDino wrote:
The problem with running 2-1-2 no jungler is that if your opponent does have a jungler and you fail to deny top lane you're most likely gonna be behind.


just run volibear top and tower dive lvl 1 ezpz
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
December 06 2011 22:35 GMT
#2660
On December 07 2011 07:26 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 07:18 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On December 07 2011 07:01 JackDino wrote:
The problem with running 2-1-2 no jungler is that if your opponent does have a jungler and you fail to deny top lane you're most likely gonna be behind.


Even if you deny top, your mid is going to lose cause their middle will have a blue. Your bottom gets ganked and falls behind? screwed for the rest of the game.

In the scenario given, blue could be given to mid first and then you have timer on it so you know when to come back. And isn't there a tradeoff of top lane getting ahead while bot lane gets behind? It really comes down to what extent bot gets behind and how far ahead the two up top get of course. I'm not trying to argue but rather re-think things. If it's a dumb idea I want to know why so I can be a better player as I'm comparitively very new to most in this forum.


Almost no mids can take blue solo when it comes back up at 7 minutes without taking significant damage, using a ton(all of their) mana, and a lot of time. They'll certainly lose out on a wave even if they pushed the lane.

You'd have to have someone top come down to help, which kills the advantage you have there(and may even lead to a death because you are now 1v1 top against someone who probably has a level or 2 on you).
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