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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 06 2011 20:14 GMT
#2621
On December 07 2011 04:54 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 04:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:47 Sabin010 wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:38 Sabin010 wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


I dunno why people say she falls off late game either. She can keep a guy silenced for a full 8 seconds when you get your cdr items, maybe they're just telling people that so less people play her, or they've only reached late game vs a LeBlanc who doesn't get fed. Alot of LeBlancs put a priority on farming champions and ignoring minions in the mid game. I can see anybody falling off late game if they don't get fed or any farm.

The problem with late game leblanc as opposed to late game Kass, Akali, and Talon is that all of their cc/damage is instantaneous, and you really dont have to worry about chaining stuff together. It becomes a lot harder to hit a full combo when you are no longer the strongest person in the game.

How is Kass, Akali and Talon's damage instantaneous and leblanc's is not? It takes the same amount of time to face roll the keyboard with all 4 champs.

Kass can combo his 3 spell such that they all hit at exactly the same time. Talon is much the same. Akali takes the longest of the 3, but also has the highest mobility and the ability to use w as a way to survive. And any one of them is capable of switching targets at any time.


LeBlanc is strongest when she can space out her sigils to maximize the silence up time, but you can just dfg-qre and one shot most squishy champs in .2 seconds.

And thats the issue. She isn't completely worthless late game. No one in their right mind can argue that. But she is at her best midgame when she can actually afford to chain her spells properly. Thats why she is said to fall off- the opportunity for her to be at her strongest disappears more and more the later the game goes.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 06 2011 20:23 GMT
#2622
Gonna play some free week Shen, and the guide on here is woefully outdated. What do most people use?
It's your boy Guzma!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:29:58
December 06 2011 20:28 GMT
#2623
Warmogs, Atmas-->Trinity-->FoN, or like Dorans+HoG+Mercs+Trinity-->Randuins-->FoN If I get really fed. Ulting bot lane with trinity is like 4 free kills every time.

Marks = whatever
Quints armour or magic resist
Seals armour or energy/lvl
Marks flat or scaling mr.
probably 21/9/0 masteries or some weird shit if you want the extra energy.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
December 06 2011 20:30 GMT
#2624
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


She has no AoE unlike most other AP carries, she just isn't that good naturally for lategame teamfights because she's a singletarget assasin. And she's super duper squishy and has to get pretty close to nuke somebody.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:33:26
December 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#2625
On December 07 2011 05:23 Requizen wrote:
Gonna play some free week Shen, and the guide on here is woefully outdated. What do most people use?

ok, so this probably isn't what most people do, but I find it hilarious, so this is how I play shen:

26/3/1 (swap armor for mres depending on matchup)
ArPen Marks
Armor Seals
MRes Glyphs (Flat vs. magic damage dealers, Scaling vs. Physical lanes)
Armor/MRes Quints (depening on lane)

ignite/flash or TP/flash or exhaust/flash

Open dblade, boots, or cloth
then get wriggle's
then get phage -> trifroce
then force of atmog's as needed

top lane and cut bitches up.

you could probably drop the flash mastery and the CDR+MPen masteries for veteran's scars, but I'm balls out offensive, sue me.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
December 06 2011 20:35 GMT
#2626
I haven't tried wriggles shen but I've seen one or two guys get it and it sounds like I'd dump on lane even more. Funny how all the sustain bruisers who beat the shit out of shen are like out of fashion and people with no sustain like riven wukong gp etc are in and get owned.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
December 06 2011 20:36 GMT
#2627
On December 07 2011 05:30 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


She has no AoE unlike most other AP carries, she just isn't that good naturally for lategame teamfights because she's a singletarget assasin. And she's super duper squishy and has to get pretty close to nuke somebody.


Her W is AoE, and you can make it a double with R, if you need AoE that much, but i can see why she differs from Brand (who has similar AP ratios and similarly 4 damage skills, but much more AoE potential), though people say Brand loses efficiency lategame too.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 06 2011 20:37 GMT
#2628
On December 07 2011 04:10 Ryalnos wrote:
If Riven is so strong, why haven't she been used that often in tournament play? Or have I not been watching the right matches?


Because everyone thought she was garbage baucase you don't go for atmog on her.

I'm a bit overdoing it but it felt like that for a while.
Xypherous (his maker) often say he think she's OP as fuck, as he did with Orianna some weeks before she became S class Xin release level.

She's like the most mobile melee character who has cc, and probably the strongest lategame hero of the game. You can hit harder with her than the Old tryn could.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:44:31
December 06 2011 20:39 GMT
#2629
On December 07 2011 05:36 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:30 Woony wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


She has no AoE unlike most other AP carries, she just isn't that good naturally for lategame teamfights because she's a singletarget assasin. And she's super duper squishy and has to get pretty close to nuke somebody.


Her W is AoE, and you can make it a double with R, if you need AoE that much, but i can see why she differs from Brand (who has similar AP ratios and similarly 4 damage skills, but much more AoE potential), though people say Brand loses efficiency lategame too.

You're not gonna use her w for damage late game cause it's too suicidal. And lb has great ratios...much much better than brands

and on shen, y no one build him ap? D: He has 0.75 ratio on his Q and W, so his Q hits pretty hard with AP. His ulti has a super lolzy 1.5 ap ratio and it's pretty hilarious when you shield your squishy for like 50% of their max hp x]]] Granted, he's supposed to be a tank so full AP makes him damn squishy, but what if you build him Rumble/tanky ap style with like RoA/rylais and shit?
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
December 06 2011 20:51 GMT
#2630
On December 07 2011 05:35 Slayer91 wrote:
I haven't tried wriggles shen but I've seen one or two guys get it and it sounds like I'd dump on lane even more. Funny how all the sustain bruisers who beat the shit out of shen are like out of fashion and people with no sustain like riven wukong gp etc are in and get owned.

I have been trolling around with jungle shen recently with wriggles. SO SMOOOTH. Can't imagine how it would be in lane.
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 06 2011 20:51 GMT
#2631
Well RoA is a waste of gold if you don't have mana. When you only have one damaging ability it just isn't effective to make AP for damage. With his passive it's far more effective to build atmogs since that will give you extra passive damage and tankiness.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 06 2011 20:52 GMT
#2632
On December 07 2011 05:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:36 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:30 Woony wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


She has no AoE unlike most other AP carries, she just isn't that good naturally for lategame teamfights because she's a singletarget assasin. And she's super duper squishy and has to get pretty close to nuke somebody.


Her W is AoE, and you can make it a double with R, if you need AoE that much, but i can see why she differs from Brand (who has similar AP ratios and similarly 4 damage skills, but much more AoE potential), though people say Brand loses efficiency lategame too.

You're not gonna use her w for damage late game cause it's too suicidal. And lb has great ratios...much much better than brands

and on shen, y no one build him ap? D: He has 0.75 ratio on his Q and W, so his Q hits pretty hard with AP. His ulti has a super lolzy 1.5 ap ratio and it's pretty hilarious when you shield your squishy for like 50% of their max hp x]]] Granted, he's supposed to be a tank so full AP makes him damn squishy, but what if you build him Rumble/tanky ap style with like RoA/rylais and shit?

From what I've seen, his energy levels don't allow for AP playstyle, if you try to go straight damage, you'll be empty most of the time.
It's your boy Guzma!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17265 Posts
December 06 2011 20:57 GMT
#2633
Megaman ezreal going to be legendary now (zzz)

Not wasting 2k RP on a skin.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 06 2011 21:00 GMT
#2634
On December 07 2011 05:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:36 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:30 Woony wrote:
On December 07 2011 04:22 shinarit wrote:
On December 07 2011 02:56 Sabin010 wrote:
Get a feel for the burst damage so you're not overkilling by too much.


This is so true with Leblanc. I just played her and its like i always put 1-2 more spells into a kill than i needed. She does surprisingly good burst. Btw why people say she falls of lategame? I didnt get to lategame with her, but as i see she has nice AP ratios, so why isnt so good?


She has no AoE unlike most other AP carries, she just isn't that good naturally for lategame teamfights because she's a singletarget assasin. And she's super duper squishy and has to get pretty close to nuke somebody.


Her W is AoE, and you can make it a double with R, if you need AoE that much, but i can see why she differs from Brand (who has similar AP ratios and similarly 4 damage skills, but much more AoE potential), though people say Brand loses efficiency lategame too.

You're not gonna use her w for damage late game cause it's too suicidal. And lb has great ratios...much much better than brands

and on shen, y no one build him ap? D: He has 0.75 ratio on his Q and W, so his Q hits pretty hard with AP. His ulti has a super lolzy 1.5 ap ratio and it's pretty hilarious when you shield your squishy for like 50% of their max hp x]]] Granted, he's supposed to be a tank so full AP makes him damn squishy, but what if you build him Rumble/tanky ap style with like RoA/rylais and shit?

because it sucks shit. From like, 3 months ago:

On September 15 2011 04:42 Mogwai wrote:
Uhg, some guy was AIMing me about AP on Shen now and I'm still just baffled that anyone is even considering this shit. He has 1 fucking nuke that scales with AP, a self shield that scales with AP and a high CD allied shield that scales with AP... That's a bad bad bad bad bad AP kit. His ratios would have to be fucking absurd for me to want to build AP on him. They were just buffed from terrible to average. AP still sucks on Shen.

mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 06 2011 21:00 GMT
#2635
Since when is megaman ezreal going to become legendary?
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
December 06 2011 21:02 GMT
#2636
On December 07 2011 06:00 Sabin010 wrote:
Since when is megaman ezreal going to become legendary?


From reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/n2bak/jk_pulsefire_ezreal_is_going_to_be_legendary/

Quote:

Hey everyone,

Earlier today one of our Ambassadors mentioned that Pulsefire Ezreal would not be a Legendary skin. Unknown to them were the secret plans of our amazing Skins team, who just recently decided to make some changes to Pulsefire Ezreal … for the better!

We had originally intended to release this skin this month, but during a brainstorming meeting with our artists, we decided that their Pulsefire Ezreal was such a great idea that we should take things a step further and fully develop him as a Legendary skin. However, that means Pulsefire Ezreal needs more time to create than a regular Epic skin.

We know that Ezreal fans have eagerly wanted a skin of legendary quality for some time, and even though he won’t be available for a bit, he will feature new sound effects and voice overs in addition to other goodies. We’re sure he’ll be worth the wait!

Pulsefire Power!

tl;dr: They thought the concept is too cool for it to be a normal skin.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 21:09:54
December 06 2011 21:05 GMT
#2637
wait that skin isn't out yet? Nvm it isn't out yet.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17265 Posts
December 06 2011 21:08 GMT
#2638
they're looking to milk more money out of people first
twitch.tv/cratonz
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 06 2011 21:12 GMT
#2639
Eh, I'll consider it depending on how cool it is. His original skin is cool, but all the other ones are just recolors, no effect changes or whatever. If it's genuinely awesome lazorz and what not, I'll probably still pick it up.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#2640
I expect megaman weapon nods with all of his abilities.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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