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On November 23 2011 22:49 Nero. wrote:
2 weeks ago i started playing anivia and i really feel that she is pretty weak compared to the other mid aps.
of course her wall can be pretty good but right now there are so many champions who have an escape ability and the duration of the wall itself is really short.
also her Q is not that great in my opinion.any good player can dodge it easily and you really have to go into the fight to be able to get anything from your ulti.
it just seems like the other aps are far more forgiving when it comes to making mistakes or beeing caught offguard. and even if you are feed it seems like champs like annie,cassio or kassadin are far more rewarding.
but maybe i havent yet played her enough to see her real potential
Anivia pretty much has 1.0 AP ratios on Q+E, and may as well have 0.5+ ratios on R as well. Her Wall affects movement and positioning really hard which is invaluable in this game. Anivia is all about controlling the space where a fight occurs from a distance while applying a massive AoE DoT and slow on everyone foolish enough to fight in a confined space. Main problem is a massive reliance on Blue Buff. She's not as in-your-face-and-melting-it as say, Brand or Cassi, but she's not to be underestimated.
Just as a side note, Jiji has also called Anivia the most faceroll AP champ ever. Back when he played AP for CLG, his Anivia was beastly and incredibly enjoyable to watch. Art in motion imoimo. /may-be-biased
On November 23 2011 22:56 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 21:15 TheYango wrote:On November 23 2011 20:28 spinesheath wrote:
Also, CV is pretty bad now. Heal over CV is quite viable in many situations. I don't understand how CV can be bad. Worse than before? Sure. But IMO, CV would be playable if it had a 3 minute cooldown. Unconditional map vision is WAY stronger than an escape, extra CC, or a tiny burst of extra damage, even if it were on similar cooldown. Having 40 second CVs has just made people sloppy at using CV properly for those times when it's REALLY necessary. The only uses CV really has right now: Giving vision to help kill someone (no brush juking). Checking an area to see if it's safe to ward it. One extra combat summoner can change a LOT in bot lane. Well, believe me or not. Your choice. Oh btw, I am talking about solo queue here. CV in competitive games is a different thing.
Hm. Well, in Solo Queue there's a lot you can get away with since there's so many external factors. So yeah, I guess Heal might help you snowball and then win off that. But a point and click no cost map hax is always going to be massively powerful in a competitive environment. Just being able to see what starting items the other team goes is really powerful.
It'll also be interesting to see how Ranked 5s will now turn out.
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On November 23 2011 23:07 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 12:39 rob.au wrote:
You don't even need to counter nasus in lane as long as you run a team that can kite well. It kinda depends. Bad nasus are going to tend to run in ahead of their team and run straight to a squishy and slow, instead of taking a slow on someone in the front and force them to react to your team. Nasus really doesn't have problems with kiting if you play your cards right, although obviously having anti melee abilities like slows and knockbacks is still going to help, but not any more than it does any other bruiser really. I'm also not going to agree that trynd is happy to trade farm with nasus, since nasus' W with max cdr like rapes trynd in teamfights and trynd is a pretty strong laner who shouldn't be as afraid as nasus of getting raped in lane. He also has insane anti tower diving and gank escapes which are 2 ways to shut down a mid/late game hero like nasus early on. Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:49 Nero. wrote:
2 weeks ago i started playing anivia and i really feel that she is pretty weak compared to the other mid aps.
of course her wall can be pretty good but right now there are so many champions who have an escape ability and the duration of the wall itself is really short.
also her Q is not that great in my opinion.any good player can dodge it easily and you really have to go into the fight to be able to get anything from your ulti.
it just seems like the other aps are far more forgiving when it comes to making mistakes or beeing caught offguard. and even if you are feed it seems like champs like annie,cassio or kassadin are far more rewarding.
but maybe i havent yet played her enough to see her real potential Anivia is fucking crazy are you kidding me? You just spam ulti and E all day and you do batshit crazy damage with no AP, not to mention you are basically unkillable in a non onesided teamfight because of egg and like a rod of ages. Q and Wall you use in obvious situations especially together. Can't dodge a Q if someone is trying to chase you or if you wall them off and they have no where else to run and if they duke they have to sit in your ultimate longer. Watch froggen play anivia and go 8/1 in 10 minutes against SK with just like boots catalyst and blue buff. Anivias range means they can do all her damage from insane range and having great escapes with egg, Q, ulti and wall so it should be very hard to get caught on her. I only sees EUs play anivia but even in tournaments they carry EXTREMLY hard. (ocelote, moma both went like 10/1 when their whole team was feeding)
Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after.
The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him.
I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think)
/Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero
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On November 23 2011 23:40 Therealdevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 23:07 Slayer91 wrote:On November 23 2011 12:39 rob.au wrote:
You don't even need to counter nasus in lane as long as you run a team that can kite well. It kinda depends. Bad nasus are going to tend to run in ahead of their team and run straight to a squishy and slow, instead of taking a slow on someone in the front and force them to react to your team. Nasus really doesn't have problems with kiting if you play your cards right, although obviously having anti melee abilities like slows and knockbacks is still going to help, but not any more than it does any other bruiser really. I'm also not going to agree that trynd is happy to trade farm with nasus, since nasus' W with max cdr like rapes trynd in teamfights and trynd is a pretty strong laner who shouldn't be as afraid as nasus of getting raped in lane. He also has insane anti tower diving and gank escapes which are 2 ways to shut down a mid/late game hero like nasus early on. On November 23 2011 22:49 Nero. wrote:
2 weeks ago i started playing anivia and i really feel that she is pretty weak compared to the other mid aps.
of course her wall can be pretty good but right now there are so many champions who have an escape ability and the duration of the wall itself is really short.
also her Q is not that great in my opinion.any good player can dodge it easily and you really have to go into the fight to be able to get anything from your ulti.
it just seems like the other aps are far more forgiving when it comes to making mistakes or beeing caught offguard. and even if you are feed it seems like champs like annie,cassio or kassadin are far more rewarding.
but maybe i havent yet played her enough to see her real potential Anivia is fucking crazy are you kidding me? You just spam ulti and E all day and you do batshit crazy damage with no AP, not to mention you are basically unkillable in a non onesided teamfight because of egg and like a rod of ages. Q and Wall you use in obvious situations especially together. Can't dodge a Q if someone is trying to chase you or if you wall them off and they have no where else to run and if they duke they have to sit in your ultimate longer. Watch froggen play anivia and go 8/1 in 10 minutes against SK with just like boots catalyst and blue buff. Anivias range means they can do all her damage from insane range and having great escapes with egg, Q, ulti and wall so it should be very hard to get caught on her. I only sees EUs play anivia but even in tournaments they carry EXTREMLY hard. (ocelote, moma both went like 10/1 when their whole team was feeding) Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after. The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him. I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think) /Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero
Voyboy begs to differ, smartass.
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On November 23 2011 23:25 MoonBear wrote:
Hm. Well, in Solo Queue there's a lot you can get away with since there's so many external factors. So yeah, I guess Heal might help you snowball and then win off that. But a point and click no cost map hax is always going to be massively powerful in a competitive environment. Just being able to see what starting items the other team goes is really powerful.
It'll also be interesting to see how Ranked 5s will now turn out.
It's not "no cost". You trade combat strength. A pretty sizeable amount too - Heal, Exhaust and Ignite all are very powerful.
Many bot lane matchups only allow both sides to farm because one side would win engagements (think Trist, Alistar, Vayne) and the other side wins in harrassment trades. Now if you have an extra combat summoner over them, the balance might shift pretty drastically, to the point where the side with the harrass advantage also wins engagements. And suddenly the lane becomes incredibly one-sided.
Seeing starting items... usually doesn't actually help. Any reasonable examples where it actually matters?
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On November 23 2011 23:43 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 23:40 Therealdevil wrote:On November 23 2011 23:07 Slayer91 wrote:On November 23 2011 12:39 rob.au wrote:
You don't even need to counter nasus in lane as long as you run a team that can kite well. It kinda depends. Bad nasus are going to tend to run in ahead of their team and run straight to a squishy and slow, instead of taking a slow on someone in the front and force them to react to your team. Nasus really doesn't have problems with kiting if you play your cards right, although obviously having anti melee abilities like slows and knockbacks is still going to help, but not any more than it does any other bruiser really. I'm also not going to agree that trynd is happy to trade farm with nasus, since nasus' W with max cdr like rapes trynd in teamfights and trynd is a pretty strong laner who shouldn't be as afraid as nasus of getting raped in lane. He also has insane anti tower diving and gank escapes which are 2 ways to shut down a mid/late game hero like nasus early on. On November 23 2011 22:49 Nero. wrote:
2 weeks ago i started playing anivia and i really feel that she is pretty weak compared to the other mid aps.
of course her wall can be pretty good but right now there are so many champions who have an escape ability and the duration of the wall itself is really short.
also her Q is not that great in my opinion.any good player can dodge it easily and you really have to go into the fight to be able to get anything from your ulti.
it just seems like the other aps are far more forgiving when it comes to making mistakes or beeing caught offguard. and even if you are feed it seems like champs like annie,cassio or kassadin are far more rewarding.
but maybe i havent yet played her enough to see her real potential Anivia is fucking crazy are you kidding me? You just spam ulti and E all day and you do batshit crazy damage with no AP, not to mention you are basically unkillable in a non onesided teamfight because of egg and like a rod of ages. Q and Wall you use in obvious situations especially together. Can't dodge a Q if someone is trying to chase you or if you wall them off and they have no where else to run and if they duke they have to sit in your ultimate longer. Watch froggen play anivia and go 8/1 in 10 minutes against SK with just like boots catalyst and blue buff. Anivias range means they can do all her damage from insane range and having great escapes with egg, Q, ulti and wall so it should be very hard to get caught on her. I only sees EUs play anivia but even in tournaments they carry EXTREMLY hard. (ocelote, moma both went like 10/1 when their whole team was feeding) Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after. The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him. I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think) /Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero Voyboy begs to differ, smartass.
I don't know if you mean that hee is good at Trynd or that he think Trynd is useful.
In 1st case: Fact that 1 person can play Trynd and carry himself doesn't mean he is any good.
IE. dustfox is beast with twitch and could potentially get to no1 EUW wth him. It doesn't mean Twitch is viable enuf for most of us.
In 2nd case: well.. opinions may differ.. And tho I like voy's commentary on stuff I'm inclined to agree and listen to smb I know a little better who isn't necessarily worse at this game.
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So because a good player plays a crappy champ its suddenly a viable champ that every knows how to play.
Really.
*turned hero into champs cause this aint dota :3
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On November 24 2011 00:03 Therealdevil wrote:
So because a good player plays a crappy champ its suddenly a viable champ that every knows how to play.
Really.
*turned hero into champs cause this aint dota :3
You'd be surprised at how many of the population thinks this way.
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I frequently ban tryndamere just so some idiot on my team doesn't play him and because he's a pain in the ass to solotop against as Wukong (if that's what I'm doing). The guy is just a waste of space on most teams.
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He's so pathetic tht Teemo counters him. :3 Maybe thats why hes not deemed "manly" like "manlymere" or some weird thing like that.
(First LoL joke guys, give me a break)
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I don't know what you guys are talking about but Tryndamere is very strong ok. Just look at those huge boobs pecs. I'd like to see any of you take on this man 1v1 in a man fight and then you tell me he's useless. Actually, don't tell me, tell him. He probably won't even need to activate his undying rage to beat the shit out of you.
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Is this another upcoming boyfriend? Lol.
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On November 24 2011 00:22 RogerX wrote:
Is this another upcoming boyfriend? Lol.
already had gingerbrown and h4ckerv2, the original tryns, thx ^^
the only reason why you guys think tryn is bad is because the people playing him are clearly not hispanic. it's kind of like how koreans have a natural affinity for shaco, hispanics luv their tryndamere. have a shitty tryn in your game? he probably saw some hispanic guy play him and be gawdly and then try to emulate that but what they don't realize is that they don't have it in their blood. are you hispanic? having trouble in ranked? why don't you pick up tryn, and see your elo shoot up 10000 points?
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On November 23 2011 23:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after.
The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him.
I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think)
/Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero
Ok, so you call Trynd a pubstomp hero without actually giving any reasoning WHY he's bad (just an anecdotal story about bad players going retard mode), and ignore the fact that Dignitas has picked him in tournament play?
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On November 24 2011 00:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 23:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after.
The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him.
I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think)
/Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero Ok, so you call Trynd a pubstomp hero without actually giving any reasoning WHY he's bad (just an anecdotal story about bad players going retard mode), and ignore the fact that Dignitas has picked him in tournament play?
Not saying I disagree, but Dan Dinh's Heimer? He may be good at Heimer but would you say that Heimer is a good champ that can beat most others in lane? lol
might be irrelevant cause he's picked heim like 3 times total or something
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If the other team is light on CC (happens surprisingly often as a lot of "hard to counter" heroes for instance have a dearth of CC) then Trynd can be a right bitch to deal with in teamfights, to be honest. It's just that in competitive play most people will slot in CC so then he becomes significantly riskier.
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I believe MiG (loco's team) has played Trynd as well to great effect
Also Trynd has amazing lane matchups vs nearly any melee champion
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On November 24 2011 00:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 23:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after.
The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him.
I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think)
/Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero Ok, so you call Trynd a pubstomp hero without actually giving any reasoning WHY he's bad (just an anecdotal story about bad players going retard mode), and ignore the fact that Dignitas has picked him in tournament play?
Of course. That's how "logic" works on forums. Doesn't matter that people can consistently win games with him.
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On November 24 2011 00:31 unichan wrote:
Not saying I disagree, but Dan Dinh's Heimer? He may be good at Heimer but would you say that Heimer is a good champ that can beat most others in lane? lol
might be irrelevant cause he's picked heim like 3 times total or something
Heimer has great lane matchups against lots of champs. He has a free Hp5 passive, harass that's hard to retaliate against, and pushing power that comes online way earlier than most other APs (IMO his only really *bad* matchups are guys that do have that means to counterpush him).
If there's a problem he has in lane, it's that he's fairly gankable unless you're as good as Dan at landing E.
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On November 24 2011 00:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 23:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Tired of people thinkin Tryndamere isn't as useless as the actual person hes named after.
The hero is terrible, just cause he can bash pubs who don't understand how his ulti works doesn't mean hes viable when playing against anyone who has any idea of what they're doing. I've lost to much games because some retard Trynd went top and lost his lane, contineud to farm for 30 minutes, and after finally showing up thinking he can 1v5 and dieing while going after a random squishy who just walked away cause someone slowed him.
I should ban Trynd just so the people who got carried up to my elo, and are dumb enough to pick him (5% appears to be the rate) get something that might be less worthless (pretty good chance, I think)
/Rant because I saw so much posts about such a shitty hero Ok, so you call Trynd a pubstomp hero without actually giving any reasoning WHY he's bad (just an anecdotal story about bad players going retard mode), and ignore the fact that Dignitas has picked him in tournament play?
He's SO much more viable in both solo queue and arguably arranged team 5v5 than he used to be. Best reasoning I can think of for this is his improved solo laning. Improved sustain makes it much more difficult to kick him out of the lane (though you do need a bunch of gold invested into pots) not to mention his harass with Shout and escape with spin ensures he wins a tradeoff with most other bruisers. He obviously can be countered and will be either in his lane or in lategame where his sheer presence is a global taunt for cc, but allowed equal farm in lane his mid-lategame presence is nothing to turn your nose up at.
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