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Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 19 2011 14:26 GMT
#1161
On November 19 2011 23:19 epoc wrote:
What was the legendary skin before demon tryndamere? Thats the first I saw released since I started playing lol
Nunubot
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 19 2011 14:43 GMT
#1162
I am looking to pick up one or two new APs I can play mid. I seem to have a problem dealing with brand in general. My current APs are Kennen and Annie. Probably should just pick up Morg, especially since she is only 1350IP. But I am also interested in Cassiopeia and Gragas. I guess Xerath is a powerhouse worth looking into. Also Heimer for the lul.

How are these guys matchups against Brand? I guess Morg is kinda strong bc of black shield.
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 19 2011 14:50 GMT
#1163
"Blood Lord Vladimir" seems weird to me, as that's already what he is without the skin, whereas most legendaries turn the champion into something different (see Party Fiddlesticks).
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 19 2011 14:59 GMT
#1164
I think it's Riot's way of apologizing for making every Vlad quote a pun and giving him horrible onion hair.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
November 19 2011 15:24 GMT
#1165
On November 19 2011 23:50 rigwarl wrote:
"Blood Lord Vladimir" seems weird to me, as that's already what he is without the skin, whereas most legendaries turn the champion into something different (see Party Fiddlesticks).


party sticks isn't even legendary
And all is illuminated.
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
November 19 2011 15:24 GMT
#1166
On November 19 2011 18:48 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 18:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 19 2011 18:29 gtrsrs wrote:
On November 19 2011 16:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
heavy harass champions. Vlad destroyed me,


i lol'd hard
good joke like vlad can even make it to level 2 against fizzykins
also there's no way rumble's gonna beat fizz either on account of fizz can just walk up and auto him to death
ap shen maybe if he has higher movespeed than you

basically fizz is ezmode laning against everyone, the hardest matchup i've had so far was brand who opened E because you can't lolhopdodge that. and even then i still destroyed him because he basically can't use his ult against you l0l

Fizz can beat rumble lvl 1-2, but once rumble gets enough points in his Q it can go either way.

I know for a fact GP rapes the shit out of fizz. Same deal with Irelia. GP's Q harass is more mana effecient than Fizz's E and is on shorter cooldown. Irelia's sustain is too much for Fizz to outharass and Irelia can just trololo W+auto you all day. range ADs like cait rape you 'cause you can't sustain their autoattack harass and if they can kite you pretty easily.


no, there is literally no way that rumble can beat fizz
you can eat a full Q thanks to your defensive masteries and just keep pounding away with autos and Q when he tries to run with shield. save E for when he goes into overheat and just bounce away. next time you exchange, he'll be lower health on account of he doesn't have sustain either, so your W will do MORE damage

i think fizz can beat pirate at level 1 with cloth + 5, defensive masteries + mpen reds and armor runes, taking W first. after that it gets iffy because you're right, parrrley is way too mana efficient compared to hopdodge. i think that's kind of a moot lane though because you would never send fizz against pirate - fizz isn't going to get great farm nor keep pirate off the creeps, and even if he COULD farm, fizz isn't a lategame hero and pirate is a lategame god. it'd be like sending kassadin against caitlyn imo - pointless. irelia on the other hand, i think loses to fizz pretty hard until like level 5 or 7, whenever W starts to matter, then it swings the other way... but isn't that how all her matchups are?


Dude, there is no way that fizz can beat any decent Rumble actually, seriously you are way out in deep waters. Just the way that both champions work makes it evident. Before lvl 4 sure, you can harass abit but as long as Rumble stays abit safe and has 1 pot left at that stage you are basically going to die on a 1v1 engage or through trades if you try going for it.
Meh
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
November 19 2011 16:46 GMT
#1167
On November 20 2011 00:24 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 23:50 rigwarl wrote:
"Blood Lord Vladimir" seems weird to me, as that's already what he is without the skin, whereas most legendaries turn the champion into something different (see Party Fiddlesticks).


party sticks isn't even legendary


It should be legendary because of the new particles and sounds. He's just discounted (permanently?) because of the Riot birthday promotion.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 19 2011 17:02 GMT
#1168
Does someone know a Riot guy who could find out which item is bought more:
Boots1 or Wards?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
November 19 2011 17:12 GMT
#1169
On November 20 2011 02:02 spinesheath wrote:
Does someone know a Riot guy who could find out which item is bought more:
Boots1 or Wards?

lulz, would be interesting to know, still think wards would come out higher, but the numbers would be interesting for sure :D
(>°_°)>
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 17:23:01
November 19 2011 17:22 GMT
#1170
The only way it wouldn't be wards are if low levels somehow greatly skewed the data, but even then I'd say wards. Unless its a 20 minute stomp, every ranked game I play has 15+ wards with probably 30-50 in long games.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 17:27:02
November 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#1171
Like 75% of the playerbase is below 1200, right? I highly doubt any of them actually buy wards, and even at like 1200-1400 you'll see like, 10 wards at most all game in most cases lol. So there actually is a good enough chance to skew it in the boots favor.......kind of sad if you think about it. I really want to know those numbers now :O
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 19 2011 17:33 GMT
#1172
I am 110% sure it'd be boots. 10 wards on average per game? You're not gonna see that until you get into the top20% of the ranked playerbase, and keep in mind that the ranked playerbase is only a fraction of the total playerbase.

Of course there aren't 10 boots a game but it's pretty close, would say at least 9.
Harrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
November 19 2011 17:41 GMT
#1173
I was really hoping that a Vlad legendary skin would be more like this:

[image loading]
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 19 2011 17:59 GMT
#1174
holy fk
i played ranked after a couple weeks break
and people at 1800 are so bad lol
not like there weren't bad players interspersed before but srsly
wtf happened
Hey! Listen!
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 19 2011 18:10 GMT
#1175
On November 19 2011 23:43 disformation wrote:
I am looking to pick up one or two new APs I can play mid. I seem to have a problem dealing with brand in general. My current APs are Kennen and Annie. Probably should just pick up Morg, especially since she is only 1350IP. But I am also interested in Cassiopeia and Gragas. I guess Xerath is a powerhouse worth looking into. Also Heimer for the lul.

How are these guys matchups against Brand? I guess Morg is kinda strong bc of black shield.


Yeah, I'm basically in the same boat as you are with AP carries. I like Annie a lot, but her short range causes problems in a lot of matchups. So I've decided to overcompensate and get Xerath to crank up the bullshit.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 19 2011 18:30 GMT
#1176
xerath's probably the best AP right now
he has harass better than gragas' (and is much more faster cast with insane particle speed) and a reliable kill combo
and he doesn't suffer graggy's problem of having no ranged auto animation
his damage is insane, but more importantly his range is insane
so you can compensate for crazy teammates by poking down their team so that your teammates can do whatever they want and still win :3
Hey! Listen!
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 19 2011 18:54 GMT
#1177
Wickd #1 caster.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#1178
Fizz can do pretty well in most level 1 trades. The only problem is your W scales INCREDIBLY poorly compared to most other leveling harass skills. You can boss vlad around for a few levels, but as soon as he hits 5, your done. Rumble? level 3.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 19 2011 20:17 GMT
#1179
On November 20 2011 04:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
Fizz can do pretty well in most level 1 trades. The only problem is your W scales INCREDIBLY poorly compared to most other leveling harass skills. You can boss vlad around for a few levels, but as soon as he hits 5, your done. Rumble? level 3.


%-based damage scaling INCREDIBLY poorly
two_down you need to take a break from posting br0
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 19 2011 20:17 GMT
#1180
On November 19 2011 23:43 disformation wrote:
I am looking to pick up one or two new APs I can play mid. I seem to have a problem dealing with brand in general. My current APs are Kennen and Annie. Probably should just pick up Morg, especially since she is only 1350IP. But I am also interested in Cassiopeia and Gragas. I guess Xerath is a powerhouse worth looking into. Also Heimer for the lul.

How are these guys matchups against Brand? I guess Morg is kinda strong bc of black shield.


Morg pushes slowlier (5 seconds) but does it with only one spell, while Brand needs two if he wants to instaclear (or risks losing cs) so she's a lot more mana-efficient. Brand hurts more tho, so it's up to you to dodge his pillar (and if he aims at you and thus doesn't go for the minions it's even better). Your combo's quite slow because of her ult, meaning she'll almost always take some retaliation even against champs she can 100-0.
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