EPT[Patch 1.0.0.129: Fizz] General Discussion - Page 141
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 28 2011 02:33 rigwarl wrote: Why would that be different (in terms of coding/implementation) than Sivir's spellshield blocking both Kass's silence/snare? Also, a level 13 Kass with Q/E maxed vs a Morg with 1 point in Black Shield is possible. Sivir's spellshield blocks "Next Spell, and ALL its effects" rather like banshee's veil. Morgana's blocks "X magic damage, and CC effects (but NOT other, non-cc effects) while the shield holds." They function completely differently. And yes, if Kass Q/E land at the same time (you q and as the spell impacts you E which is instant) then it's likely that even if the damage from one spell was enough to pop the shield, both CC effects get ignored. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
edit: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=494222 servers not working. EUW how i love you... | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On November 28 2011 03:20 Alaric wrote: I've got a 20 minutes queue atm. Pretty much like yesterday evening, server had problems for about 15 minutes. yeah, over 20000 in queue, FML. i'm done with playing today... they need to get their shit together and fix these EUW server problems. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
not only can you instagib wards with attackQ (q hits wards 2x :OOO) but you can clear all the small minion camps in both jungles at nearly respawn rate if you run through mid lane (which obviously isn't the best idea ever but WHATEVS) and maintain crazy ward control and buff control. Just hope your lanes don't need help any time soon. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
On November 28 2011 03:22 DoXa wrote: yeah, over 20000 in queue, FML. i'm done with playing today... they need to get their shit together and fix these EUW server problems. Yup, that's why I changed to NA, the downtimes can be annoying sometimes for the GMT time-zone but no queues ftw. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On November 28 2011 03:41 Firesilver wrote: Yup, that's why I changed to NA, the downtimes can be annoying sometimes for the GMT time-zone but no queues ftw. 200 ping os not really bearable though. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
200 ping is doable for many champs for the "bottom" 99.9% of players. I play at 200+ ping on US all the time. Literally all the time. A bit more and it become really bad though. | ||
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Loomies
United States645 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On November 27 2011 20:48 cascades wrote: I dont know Utahime. As I discussed with you, Shyvana might have insane clear speed, but not the slow of Skarner/Udyr. I sure hope new jungle doesn't mean only this three superfast junglers are viable. She has a nastier gank when she has red-buff thanks to double-flash (can catch up to even Riven with Flash) and her sick DPS at early levels. The problem obviously is that she's buff reliant for kills, but honestly if she had any sort of CC she'd be beyond retarded, lol. It's a bit like the Brand vs Annie balance issue; in exchange for the loss of a point and click CC Brand's damage output is insane (relatively speaking, although the Annie buff obviously swung that around so I'm not sure how the numbers match up %-wise). Shyv's mid-game damage is one of the best due to 170 DPS without even autoattacking at level 9. The problem is that this 170 PBAoE DPS doesn't actually scale (or rather it has a paltry combined 0.4 bonus AD ratio which means it's terrible) so she just falls off late-game. That's why I've been pining for ratio buffs, hah. But if you've ever played a slower jungler versus a good one, and I mean stuff like the XZ/Trundle/etc of the world who primarily thrive on single-target strikes (hence no matter what they're just slower at clearing) you can definitely feel the counterjungling start to catch up, and it's really hard to stop her from gaining levels on you. It's not so bad when you're even something like Master Yi; the AoE creep clear lets you keep up in levels and reduces the likelihood of being counterjungled, as the speed of clear can match hers and thus keeps her in the dark with regards to your creep respawns. | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On November 28 2011 04:04 Craton wrote: I'm pretty sure there are just a lot more stream viewers these days. Average total viewers is about 3x what it was even just months ago. i miss the good old days when 30 of us would be watching Burbs be bad =/ | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
She's pretty underplayed, but that's totally expected for a champ 1 patch old. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On November 28 2011 04:14 TheYango wrote: My take on Shyvana: she's pretty good in the jungle, but her top lane matchups are pretty good as well. I'm not convinced that the jungle is the best place for her. She's pretty underplayed, but that's totally expected for a champ 1 patch old. Maybe because everything she does udyr and skarner do the same(and more) just better lol? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 28 2011 04:03 Southlight wrote: She has a nastier gank when she has red-buff thanks to double-flash (can catch up to even Riven with Flash) and her sick DPS at early levels. The problem obviously is that she's buff reliant for kills, but honestly if she had any sort of CC she'd be beyond retarded, lol. It's a bit like the Brand vs Annie balance issue; in exchange for the loss of a point and click CC Brand's damage output is insane (relatively speaking, although the Annie buff obviously swung that around so I'm not sure how the numbers match up %-wise). Shyv's mid-game damage is one of the best due to 170 DPS without even autoattacking at level 9. The problem is that this 170 PBAoE DPS doesn't actually scale (or rather it has a paltry combined 0.4 bonus AD ratio which means it's terrible) so she just falls off late-game. That's why I've been pining for ratio buffs, hah. But if you've ever played a slower jungler versus a good one, and I mean stuff like the XZ/Trundle/etc of the world who primarily thrive on single-target strikes (hence no matter what they're just slower at clearing) you can definitely feel the counterjungling start to catch up, and it's really hard to stop her from gaining levels on you. It's not so bad when you're even something like Master Yi; the AoE creep clear lets you keep up in levels and reduces the likelihood of being counterjungled, as the speed of clear can match hers and thus keeps her in the dark with regards to your creep respawns. I honestly think she might become top 5 junglers if the jungle patch goes the way people are saying it will. If ganks become so bad that by doing so you'll end up behind an afk farm jungler then I don't know how a jungler would be able to match Shyvana except maybe like Pheonix Udyr or something. Not to mention her mid game is ridiculous. I think her laning is good too but with the jungle changes I don't see her going anywhere but the jungle. edit: Personally, and I'm probably biased cause I love playing as Shyvana, I don't think that Udyr/Skarner have the team fight presence that Shyvana does in mid game. I'm too lazy right now to do numbers but I'm pretty sure she out damages both of them in the mid game and she's a lot harder to ignore in a fight due to her size. She's like a 6-stack Cho'Gath that does more AoE damage and dives into the middle of your entire team. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On November 28 2011 04:17 TheKefka wrote: Maybe because everything she does udyr and skarner do the same(and more) just better lol? Uhhh how about CCing? When i decide to pick udyr or skarner i mostly do it to either be able to stun often (udyr) or suppress key target (skarner) so i have to disagree. Also almost all of the recently released champs are very strong yet underplayed IMO | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
also, #1 pentakiller IMO | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 28 2011 04:17 TheKefka wrote: Maybe because everything she does udyr and skarner do the same(and more) just better lol? Not everything. The lack of cc is pretty big. But she does more than make up for it in clear speed. She crushes everyone when it comes to that, especially since she doesnt need blue to do it. | ||
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