[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 56

On November 04 2011 05:56 JackDino wrote:


That's not what you said.

On November 04 2011 05:58 Haasts wrote:
How's Tristana doing at the moment?

She wasn't one of the AD carries more comfortable in a solo lane (Corki/Miss Fortune; Sivir to an extent), but I see her very infrequently compared with Vayne/Caitlin/Kog'maw/Ezreal/Ashe/Graves. She'll pop up sporadically in tournaments (more popular in Europe, or is this an illusion created entirely by CandyPanda?), but rarely do anything breathtaking - I think IEM NY had a game where SK had her and Kass to brutally chase down stragglers after a dragon/blue fight, but that's all that springs to mind. She's got a decent lategame with her range and her steroid, but not on Kog's level - she's a bit more self-reliant safety-wise with her jump and her ult as an anti-dive.

What's holding her back? Is it her AP ratios, the reward for being aggressive with her rocket jump not worth the risk with bruiser-heavy team fights, her healing debuff being devalued with the healing/sustain nerfs, or simply not matching the lustre of all the 6300 IP ranged ADs? Who does she lane well with/against, what comps does she synergise with, etc?

On November 04 2011 06:15 overt wrote:
there are better late game champions (Kog'Maw, Vayne).

On November 04 2011 06:20 Qualm wrote:


Trist is much stronger than both of these at max items...

On November 04 2011 06:15 overt wrote:


I think the biggest issue of Tristana is that while her early game isn't terrible there are better early game champions (Caitlyn, MF, Corki). There are better midgame champions (Corki, Ezreal). There are better late game champions (Kog'Maw, Vayne). When it comes down to it the things that Tristana is really good at gets overshadowed by her competitors. Vayne is going to do more late game damage than her, Kog'Maw is going to do more lategame damage than her and be able to do it at a longer range. Lots of ADs have better early and midgames than her.

She's good in team comps that don't have a ton of protection for an AD carry due to her W and her R. She does fine in lane against a lot of enemy AD carries and she is less reliant on mana than any other AD carry. But with the introduction of Graves and the resurgence of Kog'Maw there aren't a lot of reasons to pick her over other ADs imo. She's still good though and I think when some of the other popular ADs inevitably get nerfed you might see a resurgence in Trist.

Also, her solo lane isn't bad. It's probably not as dominant as some of the other ADs but it's still pretty good.

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On November 04 2011 06:19 danana wrote:
super big thanks to everyone that gave me great advice way back in the graves thread! i have a few follow-up questions:

i'd like to figure out a good generic rune setup without having to buy another rune page. it'll probably be one page for jungle + AD carries (probably more optimized for jungle since i'd think that's more rune-dependent) and one for casters, could you guys give some advice as to what runes would be good for most champions?

i'm thinking armor pen or attack speed reds, armor yellows, and magic res blues for AD/jungle, and magic pen, mana regen, and magic res blues for AP/support. probably movement speed quints because i can't imagine any game where moving faster wouldn't help. any suggestions? also, i see a lot of guides suggest mana regen/level, and don't see why scaling mana regen is better (in my experience, i only have mana problems early game... but maybe that's because i build more mana items than i should?)

in case it'll help suggest runes, here are champions i tend to play the most: cho'gath, taric, janna, ryze, kassadin, tristana, caitlyn, urgot. and i'll probably pick up xin zhao and maybe another easy-to-learn jungler like warwick.

oh, also, any tips on which supports go well with which AD in bot? and i was considering buying soraka, although she seems kind of boring... are there any champions that work better with soraka than with taric or janna?

On November 04 2011 06:29 Juicyfruit wrote:
I use flat mana glyphs on tristana (and ashe). Mana regen is kinda eh and she has only like 500 total mana at level 10, so even that late it's still 15% more mana. The main problem with AD carry and their mana pool is that they tend to use it all at once in a series of exchanges and it bottlenecks really fast early on.

On November 04 2011 06:28 Sandster wrote:


Runes are a pretty big investment, and I recommend you read this guide: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=5693

The optimal runes you can run with 2 rune pages are:

-armor pen red / armor yellow / MR blue (scaling or flat, up to you) / AD quints. This is the ideal setup for AD carries bot, good for a lot of top lane bruisers, and solid in the jungle for Noc/Lee. AS is better for a generic jungle page but you don't have a 3rd page.

-magic pen red / armor OR scaling mp5 yellow / MR OR scaling AP blue / flat AP quints. Standard for casters (minus Ryze, where AP is not as useful).

Scaling mp5 runes are better because the break even point is extremely early.

Soraka is the ultimate babysitter, or for an extremely aggressive harasser (Graves/Cait come to mind). Unlike the other supports, she has no hard disable, although silence is very good. I find her insanely boring as well. Also - Alistar is free, and (imo) much more fun to play.

On November 03 2011 22:39 Phrost wrote:



Realistically he shouldn't get "countered" as badly as other champions can. The worst case scenerio is his lane becomes a farm all day, never die lane.

He's the fastest AP pusher in the game (except for maybe heimerdinger) because his voidlings just do a ton of damage to towers, especially when they become enraged.

I've found it fairly easy to beat most mids that don't push hard. He pretty much stalemates with Cassiopia and Morgana and beats Annie, Brand (due to mana issues brand has while pushing hard) and kassadin (only early).


The trick is to Q at lvl 1 to charge passive and then at lvl 2 E someone and see how many voidling hits they take before they realize they're not trading.

On November 04 2011 01:45 Seuss wrote:


Humongous emphasis on the word "can". I, an experienced jungler, can jungle with Nunu at level 1 without issue. The same can not be said of a newbie jungler. There are a million things that have become pure instinct/muscle memory for me which are complete mysteries to someone starting for the first time.

I've recently had a few friends ask me for help because they wanted to learn to jungle. When you get asked questions like, "do I kill the lizards first at blue?" you realize just how huge the learning curve for jungling really is.



You only need 1/4 to level off blue/mini-golems. This is because you need to exceed 280 exp to hit level 2, but you get exactly 280 exp from those camps without runes/masteries/Zilean. You need 3/4 to hit 3 off of the small camps if you aren't starting blue.

There've been reports that you no longer need to exceed 280 exp to hit level 2 and that hitting the exact value is sufficient, but I haven't tested those claims.

On November 04 2011 06:25 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Now I want to open Infinity Edge on her since her Q can splash crit...That's so ridiculous ^_^ I feel like you'd be too squishy to actually make use of it after you farm it though