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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 11 2011 05:34 GMT
#2881
On November 11 2011 14:04 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 13:32 Craton wrote:
My problem with Miracle is that I like Shurelya's too much more.

sometiems i get that and then get another philo and then get miracle

.. lol

I did that once as a support because we were so far ahead. I had ~100 hp5/mp5, which was rather amusing.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
November 11 2011 05:40 GMT
#2882
Just won a ranked game as rally/fortify Teemo. Started the game by literally running up to the middle and sitting invisible until level three when I killed their mid with the help of ours. It was amazing. (I just ran around killing people after that. Thank goodness our ad could 1v2 successfully).
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 11 2011 06:22 GMT
#2883
Played a couple games as J4. Built him DPS, and now I never want to play any other character ever again. SLAM DUNK THAT HOE.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2011 06:44 GMT
#2884
Dunking bads has to be the best feeling in the world. Watching Smash J4 in solo q is really fun and I don't even J4 myself.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 11 2011 06:54 GMT
#2885
I think the reason why I have a soft spot for vayne and ezreal is because they can just tumble/blink out of j4's ult.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 11 2011 06:56 GMT
#2886
On November 11 2011 15:54 koreasilver wrote:
I think the reason why I have a soft spot for vayne and ezreal is because they can just tumble/blink out of j4's ult.



That's why you save dunk for the killing blow duh. I love that its like infiniti % of his bonus AD. It doing 800 damage to a single target is just silly strong.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 07:12:43
November 11 2011 07:00 GMT
#2887
I don't know whether to laugh or be horrified... I'm watching a from August of Dyrus reading a fan fic about TSM's godlike teamwork... and the work needed to get that sort of synergy...
+ Show Spoiler +


I shudder to think that I might read more of these horror stories.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 07:11:46
November 11 2011 07:05 GMT
#2888
re: 2 pages ago:

katarina's ult is just cleanup crew. the real power is dealing as much damage as possible with Q and E over and over again as you rack up assists and maintain good positioning, then R to kill whatever's left. you dont just burst in and R and hope for the best. katarina is more of a fighter rather than a true assassin, R is just a finishing move. the only real problem kat has is that hard disables or cc really shut her down because she's squishy so you need a team comp built around her for her to be effective against a proper team. the other tinier problem is that with no sustain she has some really, really tough lane matchups

all of her numbers are fine. i think she could stand to be buffed a little just so the stigma that she's awful will disappear, but she's not UP. just really hard to fit into most conventional teams. but even so, against teams that can shut down her R she is still really really scary until she's dead. E is probably the best move in the game.

ive been wanting to experiment with a kat/support bot lane, but she scales so heavily with levels (E base damage is <3) that I'm not sure its viable. plus i'm not sure she can trade damage favorably vs, for example, caitlyn or vayne, when they have a support as well.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 11 2011 07:43 GMT
#2889
Bleh...but Kat seems really weak now that Gunblade has been nerfed but that is theorycraft on the top of my head.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 07:47:49
November 11 2011 07:47 GMT
#2890
On November 11 2011 15:22 Cixah wrote:
Played a couple games as J4. Built him DPS, and now I never want to play any other character ever again. SLAM DUNK THAT HOE.


Some other heroes that are incredibly entertaining built dps:

- on hit udyr. tiger stance, bloodrazors wit's end etc, does unreal damage. Only done it on dominion where you can pick up kitae's but I imagine it's quite lol in 5s as well.
- Jungle alistar, 21/0/9 and attack speed runes. Wriggles triforce ghostblade and assassinate some bitches, too hilarious.
- Various AD nidalee builds
- Rammus of course, this build comes up like every other page.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 11 2011 07:58 GMT
#2891
On November 11 2011 16:43 Shiragaku wrote:
Bleh...but Kat seems really weak now that Gunblade has been nerfed but that is theorycraft on the top of my head.


rylai, deathcap, lichbane, voidstaff, all items i prefer on katarina over gunblade. it's good sometimes when the enemy team has no real dangerous cc, and you can R earlier in a fight and just soak some damage, but most of the time i build strictly AP, plus boots and a banshee/QSS
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2011 08:28 GMT
#2892
Old Gunblade? New Gunblade I dunno about but I'm positive it's still better than Lich Bane and Void Staff.
Reason why Gunblade is so quintessential on Kat is because you just Q and auto all day and stay at full hp, even if you trade hits, then jump in Ulti, slow active. Just so much versatility during laning phase.

First item has always been Rylais or Gunblade for me.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
November 11 2011 08:48 GMT
#2893
i usually rush a revolver and a rylais, then deathcap most of the time and maybe after that i upgrade revolver into gunblade, but most of the time the game is over by then :D
(>°_°)>
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
November 11 2011 08:52 GMT
#2894
Would it be better now to just upgrade the revolver into WOTA now since gunblade is nowhere near as cost effective?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 11 2011 09:08 GMT
#2895
I think you're missing the point of why you get a Gunblade. WotA does not have an on-demand slow+nuke, nor does it have AD.
twitch.tv/cratonz
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 11 2011 09:11 GMT
#2896
Wota is much much cheaper and gives more vamp/ap. 4 Warmogs atmas kat real strong too.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 11 2011 09:18 GMT
#2897
5% vamp, 10 ap, and no lifesteal.
twitch.tv/cratonz
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 09:24:58
November 11 2011 09:22 GMT
#2898
The lifesteal isn't that good untill you get more ad/lichbane, 1.5k gold doesn't justify less vamp/ap for some lifesteal, not to mention the wota aura is really good.
While the active is great it's also situational depending on teamcomp.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 11 2011 09:23 GMT
#2899
Once again ignoring that game-winning slow...
twitch.tv/cratonz
bosiddon
Profile Joined September 2010
308 Posts
November 11 2011 09:29 GMT
#2900
servers have been awful for the last hour and a half and still no loss forgiven
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