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On October 21 2011 00:07 Juicyfruit wrote:
Actually I would probably just end up doing frozen heart + wit's end and stack a bunch of AP and be like whatsup, I have a lot of resist and a very spammable shield that gets stronger with AP and is harder to break with my super duper resists.
I have a hard time seeing myself buying Wit's over Rageblade. 35 AD turns into more damage potential than a 42 dmg magic proc because of Q, and you keep stacks so easily-- 35 AD + 32% ASpd + 96 AP for less than 2500 gold is too good to pass up.
On October 20 2011 23:57 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play Skarnar, so take this with a grain of salt...
but doesn't Nashor's Tooth have kinda absurd synergy with his kit?
CDR/ASpd is good on him, but I sort of feel like Nashor's isn't necessarily the best way to get it. ASpd from Rageblade/Triforce and CDR from CDR/Tank items like Visage/Glacial (he has a shield AND a heal, not just one or the other like Udyr/WW) seems like a more well-rounded way to get the stats than Nashor's. It is possible that Nashor's is amazing for him (it's got better synergy with his kit than possibly any other champ in the game), but I don't feel it's necessary.
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On October 21 2011 00:10 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 00:08 Mogwai wrote:On October 21 2011 00:02 zodde wrote:On October 20 2011 23:57 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play Skarnar, so take this with a grain of salt...
but doesn't Nashor's Tooth have kinda absurd synergy with his kit? I think so as well, but the general consensus is that Nashor's is bad as an item and should never be built on anything ever... well, stop being a stupid little bitch and think for yourself then. general consensus is that ___ is bad PERIOD END OF STORY is pretty much the dumbest possible reason to abandon it. Nashor's Tooth gives good gold efficiency on the stats it provides, it just so happens that the stats it provides are a really awkward hodgepodge that don't make sense on most characters. They do however make sense on Skarner and I'm not sure why you wouldn't go out of your way to build Nashor's unless you were hogging blue buff all game. Smash laying down the law I thought it worked with AP Teemo, but people made fun of me and said it was stupid. So I stopped getting it.
Yea, if you're doing AP Teemo is makes a lot of sense. AP Teemo is pretty troll to begin with, but if I were doing it, I would get a Nashors, as that's the most convenient form of CDR for his kit.
On October 21 2011 00:12 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 23:57 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play Skarnar, so take this with a grain of salt...
but doesn't Nashor's Tooth have kinda absurd synergy with his kit? CDR/ASpd is good on him, but I sort of feel like Nashor's isn't necessarily the best way to get it. ASpd from Rageblade/Triforce and CDR from CDR/Tank items like Visage/Glacial seems like a more well-rounded way to get the stats than Nashor's.
you're going to hit the same amount of CDR and AS off of Rageblade (full charge) + Zeal + Frozen Heart. You're spending like, way over twice the money and using a bunch of item slots and having to wait for Rageblade to charge up to accomplish the same sweet spot for those stats. Yes, I understand you're hitting other stats that you want and that's pretty cool, but it's really really absurdly limiting to your build path to commit so much to a core that could be limited to just Nashor's Tooth. If all you need in life is a Nashor's Tooth, then you could be completely flexible with the rest of your build and just focus all your money on countering what the enemy's building.
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On October 21 2011 00:08 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 00:02 zodde wrote:On October 20 2011 23:57 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play Skarnar, so take this with a grain of salt...
but doesn't Nashor's Tooth have kinda absurd synergy with his kit? I think so as well, but the general consensus is that Nashor's is bad as an item and should never be built on anything ever... EDIT: this was too mean general consensus is that ___ is bad PERIOD END OF STORY is pretty much the dumbest possible reason to abandon it. Nashor's Tooth gives good gold efficiency on the stats it provides, it just so happens that the stats it provides are a really awkward hodgepodge that don't make sense on most characters. They do however make sense on Skarner and I'm not sure why you wouldn't go out of your way to build Nashor's unless you were hogging blue buff all game.
Hahah, sorry that I didn't make my sarcasm clear enough :D I agree with you 100%, Nashor's is good on certain champs. My comment was meant to point out that everyone would bash your suggestion because of the whole "Nashor's sucks"-thing going on in this game.
Edit: just saw what you edited out xD
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On October 21 2011 00:13 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 00:10 unichan wrote:On October 21 2011 00:08 Mogwai wrote:On October 21 2011 00:02 zodde wrote:On October 20 2011 23:57 Mogwai wrote:
I don't play Skarnar, so take this with a grain of salt...
but doesn't Nashor's Tooth have kinda absurd synergy with his kit? I think so as well, but the general consensus is that Nashor's is bad as an item and should never be built on anything ever... well, stop being a stupid little bitch and think for yourself then. general consensus is that ___ is bad PERIOD END OF STORY is pretty much the dumbest possible reason to abandon it. Nashor's Tooth gives good gold efficiency on the stats it provides, it just so happens that the stats it provides are a really awkward hodgepodge that don't make sense on most characters. They do however make sense on Skarner and I'm not sure why you wouldn't go out of your way to build Nashor's unless you were hogging blue buff all game. Smash laying down the law I thought it worked with AP Teemo, but people made fun of me and said it was stupid. So I stopped getting it. Yea, if you're doing AP Teemo is makes a lot of sense. AP Teemo is pretty troll to begin with, but if I were doing it, I would get a Nashors, as that's the most convenient form of CDR for his kit.
okay i will keep doing it then and if people question me i will say smash said its ok and that u will beat them up for me right ^_^
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For a jungle newb, should i start with phoenix or tiger udyr? i really wanna learn some junglers and i decided to start with udyr :D or should i start with another champ? i got like all of em anyways...
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On October 21 2011 00:13 Mogwai wrote:
Yea, if you're doing AP Teemo is makes a lot of sense. AP Teemo is pretty troll to begin with, but if I were doing it, I would get a Nashors, as that's the most convenient form of CDR for his kit.
I don't necessarily feel that Nashor's is the most convenient CDR source for Skarner though. As a melee DPS champ, it's somewhat inevitable that you'll need to build tanky stats after your first damage item. As a singular damage item, I think it's hard to compete with Rageblade on him, and getting the CDR from CDR/Tank items feels like it should be smoother than waiting till after your tanky stuff to buy CDR
On October 21 2011 00:19 byFd wrote:
For a jungle newb, should i start with phoenix or tiger udyr? i really wanna learn some junglers and i decided to start with udyr :D or should i start with another champ? i got like all of em anyways...
Phoenix is much stronger if you don't have specialized runes for Tiger. It's still generally considered stronger on US, IIRC. In the pool of commonly picked junglers, he's probably the absolute fastest one (Amumu and Olaf are not really common picks anymore), and his early-game control is amazing. Tiger Udyr is an earlier Dragon threat and has better late-game DPS scaling, but I don't think it's enough to outweigh the advantages of Phoenix.
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On October 21 2011 00:19 byFd wrote:
For a jungle newb, should i start with phoenix or tiger udyr? i really wanna learn some junglers and i decided to start with udyr :D or should i start with another champ? i got like all of em anyways...
if you're new to jungle and don't have AD Quints, Phoenix for sure. Probably Phoenix anyway, Phoenix is real stronk and safe.
On October 21 2011 00:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 00:13 Mogwai wrote:
Yea, if you're doing AP Teemo is makes a lot of sense. AP Teemo is pretty troll to begin with, but if I were doing it, I would get a Nashors, as that's the most convenient form of CDR for his kit. I don't necessarily feel that Nashor's is the most convenient CDR source for Skarner though. As a melee DPS champ, it's somewhat inevitable that you'll need to build tanky stats after your first damage item. As a singular damage item, I think it's hard to compete with Rageblade on him, and getting the CDR from CDR/Tank items feels like it should be smoother than waiting till after your tanky stuff to buy CDR.
ok, I'm fully Utah mode telling people what to do with a champion I don't play, but...
Nashor's Tooth has MUCH better synergy with his kit than Rageblade.
Yea yea yea yea, I get it rageblade stacks always up, omg, so efficient, but the CDR + reliable AS means that you'll have a 1 second CD Crystal Slash in champion fights. This seems absurd to me, especially next to 2 second CD Crystal Slashes that you'd have with a Rageblade, again assuming we can get and keep charges. Not to mention how frequently you'll be able to shield yourself and do that line nuke thingie. On paper, Nashor's Tooth will come out ahead unless you assume rageblade guy has blue buff, guaranteed.
So what I'm saying is, Nashor's -> 100% adaptable build makes the most sense to me. Because Nashor's will make any other offensive item you build scale obscenely well and even without more offensive items it allows you to utilize your characters utility (which in turn gives him a shit ton of surviveablity), so that you can tank out and still be useful to your team.
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On October 21 2011 00:19 byFd wrote:
For a jungle newb, should i start with phoenix or tiger udyr? i really wanna learn some junglers and i decided to start with udyr :D or should i start with another champ? i got like all of em anyways...
I found Phoenix "easier" to do, you should try both and see which one is more comfortable for you. The jungler that I learned from was Nunu though, because he used to be OP and he is super easy to play. WW is another easy jungler to play because you never get low. Whenever I get low I get a heart attack because I think someone is going to come kill me
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On October 20 2011 23:57 Attakijing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 23:12 Requizen wrote:
So I take it the new general consensus is that Graves is worth buying? Or do you think he'll get a nerf in the first few weeks?
Honestly, he looks like a lot of fun, but I'm always wary of buying new champs only for them to get nerfed right away because of general qq. Hasn't happened in a while, but yeah. his w is a totally new kind of skill and will have a lot of weird utility. all his stats and skills are just absurd. compare him to tristana: he has an inferior escape and a comparable attack speed buff in one skill, a farming/harassing aoe skill like trist E in his q, and his ult is very similar. with his w he's just better. but it will take a long time for people to figure out exactly why he is relatively op. so probably 2-3 patches of rampage, then a small nerf like talon got, then a big nerf when the small nerf doesnt help
Bah, I dunno. I want to buy him, but I already have 5 ranged AD champions, so I don't know if it's worth spending IP/RP on another one when Riot might over nerf him in the coming future.
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On October 21 2011 00:19 byFd wrote:
For a jungle newb, should i start with phoenix or tiger udyr? i really wanna learn some junglers and i decided to start with udyr :D or should i start with another champ? i got like all of em anyways...
It's kinda personal preference. I start Tiger so small camps then full clear off cloth 5 pots, but you could do pheonix and start blue the same way. Udyr is kinda hard to learn but hes a great jungler. If hes too hard id say either ww or nocturne since they are both stupidly easy to jungle with
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Udyr's easier to jungle with than Noct. Noct gets pretty low.
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Warwick is who i started with and he's pretty easy. Just jungle to 6 and gank gank gank and solo dragon.
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only time i get low health on noc is dual golems during first clear going vamp scepter first and doing small camps. But then again i run AS quints over AD ones
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ok i guess i'll try both anyway then^^
runes are no problem i got like all, i play LoL for a long time now (well some breaks in between) and i played some jungle nunu some months ago, but all the jungle routine felt off me (lol).
I guess i know the basic routes and stuff but just never do it myself, but i really need (want) to learn it so i can atleast play a decent jungling when it is needed 
thx for all the fast anwers :O
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One thing that occurred to me about Skarner--Given that the ASpd and the CDR is what you want, and that the AP and mp5, while nice, are not THAT amazing, is there a really a compelling reason to go turn Stinger into Nashor's?
Seems like 1-2 Stingers gives you the stats you want at better economy than completing Nashor's.
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The CDR on Stinger is unique.
But yea, leaving 1 stinger and moving on to something else before finishing nashor's is probably kosher.
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On October 21 2011 00:39 Mogwai wrote:
The CDR on Stinger is unique.
But yea, leaving 1 stinger and moving on to something else before finishing nashor's is probably kosher.
Huh, dunno why I thought it was non-unique.
Nashor's CDR just feels like overkill, seeing as there are so many other CDR sources that are also all very good for him--Shurelya's, Spirit Visage, Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen are all items I can see myself buying on him, so I don't feel it's 100% necessary to cap out just on 1 item when I'm pretty likely to pick up another 15%-20% CDR from the situational tanky shit.
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On October 21 2011 00:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 00:13 Mogwai wrote:
Yea, if you're doing AP Teemo is makes a lot of sense. AP Teemo is pretty troll to begin with, but if I were doing it, I would get a Nashors, as that's the most convenient form of CDR for his kit. I don't necessarily feel that Nashor's is the most convenient CDR source for Skarner though. As a melee DPS champ, it's somewhat inevitable that you'll need to build tanky stats after your first damage item. As a singular damage item, I think it's hard to compete with Rageblade on him, and getting the CDR from CDR/Tank items feels like it should be smoother than waiting till after your tanky stuff to buy CDR.
This is true, and GRB->FH->SV is certainly a much more well rounded build for Skarner, but it costs a lot and you don't always have the luxury of farming in the jungle all day.
It might be that GRB->FH->SV is a good go-to build when you have the time to farm / get some good ganks off and have extra cash, but that nashor's tooth is a good substitute for when you get messed with or otherwise can't farm as effectively for some reason.
Or, Nashor's could be an excellent first item as you could build Stinger fairly quickly out of the jungle since you don't need to worry about Wriggles too much.
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OT, but is twitch the new FOTM or is it just cuz hes 3150 and everyones buying him?
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On October 21 2011 00:42 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 00:39 Mogwai wrote:
The CDR on Stinger is unique.
But yea, leaving 1 stinger and moving on to something else before finishing nashor's is probably kosher. Huh, dunno why I thought it was non-unique. Nashor's CDR just feels like overkill, seeing as there are so many other CDR sources that are also all very good for him--Shurelya's, Spirit Visage, Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen are all items I can see myself buying on him, so I don't feel it's 100% necessary to cap out just on 1 item when I'm pretty likely to pick up another 15%-20% CDR from the situational tanky shit.
back in the day when ap kayle was all the rage, I always used to get rageblade -> nashors. Worked like a charm once I got nashors. This was before CDR boots was released, so I just used nashors to max my CDR.
Sadly ap kayle is long dead
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