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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 20 2011 17:35 GMT
#561
On October 21 2011 02:25 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:23 gtrsrs wrote:
counterpick nasus with pantheon
pantheon will win that matchup 100% of the time even against cloth + 5 pots nasus with armor page and defensive masteries

Pantheon just feels like a bad version of Jarman and Gangplank to me these days.

Poor guy


He's still right about Pantheon winning that matchup 100% of the time. Nasus can't keep up with that spear poke. And you can negate him being aggressive with his W with your W.
Hey! How you doin'?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 20 2011 17:36 GMT
#562
Judging by the convo on jiji stream, Ele and jiji gonna be duo q, presumably as ad+support bot.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 20 2011 17:39 GMT
#563
Pantheon won't run oom?

I guess I have not played vs a competent Renekton.
Raynian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States50 Posts
October 20 2011 17:42 GMT
#564
Irelia's also a really tough lane for Nasus. She has too much sustain for Nasus to trade effectively with her, and that ridiculous true damage on her W lets her zone him without any trouble early on. Plus, once she gets Mercs, there's essentially no way for her to die to a gank with that ~52% CC reduction.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 20 2011 17:47 GMT
#565
Ya max w irelia is actually really hard to deal with as any bruiser. Yet to play vs it as renek, but Id imagine it prolly smashes through his sustain.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 17:50 GMT
#566
On October 21 2011 02:35 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:25 Mogwai wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:23 gtrsrs wrote:
counterpick nasus with pantheon
pantheon will win that matchup 100% of the time even against cloth + 5 pots nasus with armor page and defensive masteries

Pantheon just feels like a bad version of Jarman and Gangplank to me these days.

Poor guy


He's still right about Pantheon winning that matchup 100% of the time. Nasus can't keep up with that spear poke. And you can negate him being aggressive with his W with your W.

I disagree, Pantheon will run oom and only end up a little ahead of a Nasus with a good anti-physical spec. And then nasus gets a glacial shroud and it's frown town for Pantheon. Also, for Pantheon to even deny Nasus, he has to play far forward which makes him a stupid easy target for early jungle ganks. I mean, yea, I've stomped on plenty of Nasuses with Pantheon, but they show up to lane with regrowth pendant and 25 armor, so I don't really weigh that experience for much when if I were playing the matchup, I'd show up with something like 60 armor level 1 and 5 hp pots.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 20 2011 17:55 GMT
#567
On October 21 2011 02:50 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:35 Zdrastochye wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:25 Mogwai wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:23 gtrsrs wrote:
counterpick nasus with pantheon
pantheon will win that matchup 100% of the time even against cloth + 5 pots nasus with armor page and defensive masteries

Pantheon just feels like a bad version of Jarman and Gangplank to me these days.

Poor guy


He's still right about Pantheon winning that matchup 100% of the time. Nasus can't keep up with that spear poke. And you can negate him being aggressive with his W with your W.

I disagree, Pantheon will run oom and only end up a little ahead of a Nasus with a good anti-physical spec. And then nasus gets a glacial shroud and it's frown town for Pantheon. Also, for Pantheon to even deny Nasus, he has to play far forward which makes him a stupid easy target for early jungle ganks. I mean, yea, I've stomped on plenty of Nasuses with Pantheon, but they show up to lane with regrowth pendant and 25 armor, so I don't really weigh that experience for much when if I were playing the matchup, I'd show up with something like 60 armor level 1 and 5 hp pots.


ruken and i tested this matchup some 20 times in a row and i (pantheon) won 19 times with the one time i lost being to poor management of creep aggro in a level2 fight. ruken (nasus) tried every opening you can think of and nasus just doesn't stand a chance.

here's how you win the matchup
>see if their jungler is a level2 ganker
-if yes, just stand back cautiously until his window for ganking versus wasting time has passed or you see him in another lane. even if it means giving up some CS early. early ganker is pantheon's bane
-if no, push lane slightly, wait for nasus to go for a last hit, walk up and auto Q auto
>how does he react? does he keep going for creeps? take your E at level 2, as soon as you get a chance, E auto Q auto ignite auto Q for the win
>does he back off? take your stun and push the lane hard for level 4, keeping him away from creeps
>level 4 auto Q tank tower hit stun auto Q ignite auto Q

you win
every time
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 20 2011 18:03 GMT
#568
what constitutes as winning though? pantheon is trash past laning while nasus is a monster in teamfights.
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 18:03 GMT
#569
On October 21 2011 02:55 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:50 Mogwai wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:35 Zdrastochye wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:25 Mogwai wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:23 gtrsrs wrote:
counterpick nasus with pantheon
pantheon will win that matchup 100% of the time even against cloth + 5 pots nasus with armor page and defensive masteries

Pantheon just feels like a bad version of Jarman and Gangplank to me these days.

Poor guy


He's still right about Pantheon winning that matchup 100% of the time. Nasus can't keep up with that spear poke. And you can negate him being aggressive with his W with your W.

I disagree, Pantheon will run oom and only end up a little ahead of a Nasus with a good anti-physical spec. And then nasus gets a glacial shroud and it's frown town for Pantheon. Also, for Pantheon to even deny Nasus, he has to play far forward which makes him a stupid easy target for early jungle ganks. I mean, yea, I've stomped on plenty of Nasuses with Pantheon, but they show up to lane with regrowth pendant and 25 armor, so I don't really weigh that experience for much when if I were playing the matchup, I'd show up with something like 60 armor level 1 and 5 hp pots.


ruken and i tested this matchup some 20 times in a row and i (pantheon) won 19 times with the one time i lost being to poor management of creep aggro in a level2 fight. ruken (nasus) tried every opening you can think of and nasus just doesn't stand a chance.

here's how you win the matchup
>see if their jungler is a level2 ganker
-if yes, just stand back cautiously until his window for ganking versus wasting time has passed or you see him in another lane. even if it means giving up some CS early. early ganker is pantheon's bane
-if no, push lane slightly, wait for nasus to go for a last hit, walk up and auto Q auto
>how does he react? does he keep going for creeps? take your E at level 2, as soon as you get a chance, E auto Q auto ignite auto Q for the win
>does he back off? take your stun and push the lane hard for level 4, keeping him away from creeps
>level 4 auto Q tank tower hit stun auto Q ignite auto Q

you win
every time

test it vs. me some time
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 18:04 GMT
#570
On October 21 2011 03:03 Brees wrote:
what constitutes as winning though? pantheon is trash past laning while nasus is a monster in teamfights.

I think in this situation, winning is stopping Nasus from getting to the point of 3 shotting turrets. Which he'll do late game.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 20 2011 18:13 GMT
#571
Graves' so retarded... those base stats, and his ability to harass with Q, that's just stupid. And that one didn't even use smokescreen in lane.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 20 2011 18:24 GMT
#572
On October 21 2011 03:13 Alaric wrote:
Graves' so retarded... those base stats, and his ability to harass with Q, that's just stupid. And that one didn't even use smokescreen in lane.

He basically gets free harass on anyone except maybe Cait. Q gets full harass through creeps and clears, W screws up auto attack champs (read: every AD bot except maybe Ez), E is basically a swiss army knife that lets you escape and harass with ease. It also helps reset it's own CD with the ASpd buff. And Ult harasses really damn well, and bursts like no one's business.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 20 2011 18:29 GMT
#573
On October 21 2011 03:03 Brees wrote:
what constitutes as winning though? pantheon is trash past laning while nasus is a monster in teamfights.


after your first kill which is presumably at level 2, 3, or 4 (preferably 4 because you'll tower dive and he'll lose 2+ waves of exp) you just zone him or kill him if he goes for creeps. when you're up 3-0 or so then you just swap your AD carry to top lane so she can freefarm against underleveled, pure defensively specced nasus, and then you go rape their carry bot lane a few times

i do agree that panth is trash after a certain point but if you can give your team enough of an advantage they should be able to carry you the rest of the way (i know that's definitely a risk though)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 18:30 GMT
#574
counting on a towerdive kill, even with Pantheon, is pretty silly if you ask me.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 20 2011 18:31 GMT
#575
On October 21 2011 03:24 AwayFromLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 03:13 Alaric wrote:
Graves' so retarded... those base stats, and his ability to harass with Q, that's just stupid. And that one didn't even use smokescreen in lane.

He basically gets free harass on anyone except maybe Cait. Q gets full harass through creeps and clears, W screws up auto attack champs (read: every AD bot except maybe Ez), E is basically a swiss army knife that lets you escape and harass with ease. It also helps reset it's own CD with the ASpd buff. And Ult harasses really damn well, and bursts like no one's business.

This is the funniest part about that skill
:)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 20 2011 18:31 GMT
#576
On October 21 2011 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
counting on a towerdive kill, even with Pantheon, is pretty silly if you ask me.

You would know. Most of those tend to backfire on you. And by most I mean every game.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 18:32 GMT
#577
T_D so mean to me and then he wonders why I don't duo queue with him, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 20 2011 18:34 GMT
#578
ParkJaeHyuk + Rhavanna vs Jiji/Elementz on jiji's stream!
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 18:36 GMT
#579
On October 21 2011 03:34 TheYango wrote:
ParkJaeHyuk + Rhavanna vs Jiji/Elementz on jiji's stream!

GET EM SPUD!
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 18:42:33
October 20 2011 18:36 GMT
#580
On October 21 2011 03:32 Mogwai wrote:
T_D so mean to me and then he wonders why I don't duo queue with him, lol.

Smash real sensitive

Fine I start being nice and supportive so you play with me more.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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