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[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 25

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StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
October 20 2011 11:43 GMT
#481
I just played a game with a Graves in my team, he is REALLY good tbh oO
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 20 2011 11:50 GMT
#482
Sometimes he's bad, but then you realize you entered a blind pick normal.
Off topic, does merc threads' tenacity stack with Singed's ult's CC reduc?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
October 20 2011 11:54 GMT
#483
Yes Singed's ult stacks, similarly to Irelia and Mundo.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 20 2011 11:58 GMT
#484
if people are saying he is strong after playing him for 10 minutes, imagine what he will be like when people have a clue ;/
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
October 20 2011 12:10 GMT
#485
really dont get why graves range is so high on skills. Thought he was supposed to do relatively cq fighting, but his aoe has hilarious range and goes through creeps.
Didnt buy him yet, but i believe it doesnt even lose dmg for targets hit?
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
October 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#486
Graves was made by the same team that made rumble. Rumble was also completely OP at launch...
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
October 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#487
First penta ever and I got it with graves. Graves OP. ^_^
Retvrn to Forvms
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 12:58:28
October 20 2011 12:58 GMT
#488
Graves' base stats, skills and scaling are OP overall...

Just wait until people play him closer to his potential.
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#489
Lol wow, from all these posts saying OP this feels like the LoL forums.

I agree that his scaling is quite high, base stats could do a bit of a reduce, but im afraid he might get overnerfed at one point.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
October 20 2011 13:14 GMT
#490
On October 20 2011 13:46 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 13:44 Cedstick wrote:
As a recent MF-mainer, I am not fucking impressed finding-out what this new champ is all about.

You mean how Graves pretty much makes MF obsolete?



I really dont think he makes her obsolete at all, what are you talken about lol
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 13:20:30
October 20 2011 13:14 GMT
#491
On October 20 2011 20:58 turdburgler wrote:
if people are saying he is strong after playing him for 10 minutes, imagine what he will be like when people have a clue ;/

This is what does it for me. He doesn't feel stupid strong right out of the box the way, say, Vayne did, but his kit is very clearly not 100% straightforward. If he's making this good of a showing day 1 where he doesn't look weak, then when people actually figure out how to play him he's going to be "OP".

On October 20 2011 14:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On October 20 2011 13:46 tyCe wrote:
On October 20 2011 13:44 Cedstick wrote:
As a recent MF-mainer, I am not fucking impressed finding-out what this new champ is all about.

You mean how Graves pretty much makes MF obsolete?


Caitlyn replaced MF months ago. Graves is super late to that party ^_^

How does Caitlyn replace MF?

Caitlyn has poorer late-game scaling than most AD carries. MF has some of the best scaling late-game damage in the game, particularly when it comes to AoE. In terms of MF's niche of being a vulnerable late-game AD carry with high AoE damage output, Cait is hardly the carry that obsoletes her in that role--Kog'maw and Corki probably are closer to it.

And I don't think Graves really fills that niche either. As far as his kit goes, he has a strong ASpd steroid for single target fighting, decent mobility and durability, and strong up-front single-target burst. His AoE damage, while respectable, is not really the core of his kit, the way it is for MF or Corki.
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tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 20 2011 13:15 GMT
#492
On October 20 2011 22:01 RogerX wrote:
Lol wow, from all these posts saying OP this feels like the LoL forums.

I agree that his scaling is quite high, base stats could do a bit of a reduce, but im afraid he might get overnerfed at one point.

I'm not saying he should be over-nerfed, I'm just noting that his stats are a little too good. I think Riot will tweak some numbers next patch but judging from their recent history, they won't be too drastic or anything.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 20 2011 13:28 GMT
#493
On October 20 2011 22:15 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:01 RogerX wrote:
Lol wow, from all these posts saying OP this feels like the LoL forums.

I agree that his scaling is quite high, base stats could do a bit of a reduce, but im afraid he might get overnerfed at one point.

I'm not saying he should be over-nerfed, I'm just noting that his stats are a little too good. I think Riot will tweak some numbers next patch but judging from their recent history, they won't be too drastic or anything.

Yeah thats pretty much what I meant, i'm just hoping they don't somehow screw him up when they nerf him o.O but yeah like you said, their recent changes has been good so far :D I have yet to see Skarner though.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 20 2011 13:38 GMT
#494
I think Riot should give Akali a "rework", like they did with Kayle and Alistar where they change her passive to do something better, like bonus damage to towers.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 20 2011 13:39 GMT
#495
On October 20 2011 22:38 Sabin010 wrote:
I think Riot should give Akali a "rework", like they did with Kayle and Alistar where they change her passive to do something better, like bonus damage to towers.


Bonus damage to towers...? On Akali...? Shes an assassin, not a pusher.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
October 20 2011 13:41 GMT
#496
On October 20 2011 22:28 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:15 tyCe wrote:
On October 20 2011 22:01 RogerX wrote:
Lol wow, from all these posts saying OP this feels like the LoL forums.

I agree that his scaling is quite high, base stats could do a bit of a reduce, but im afraid he might get overnerfed at one point.

I'm not saying he should be over-nerfed, I'm just noting that his stats are a little too good. I think Riot will tweak some numbers next patch but judging from their recent history, they won't be too drastic or anything.

Yeah thats pretty much what I meant, i'm just hoping they don't somehow screw him up when they nerf him o.O but yeah like you said, their recent changes has been good so far :D I have yet to see Skarner though.

Skarner is better then before, but only when he gets in range to spam his aoe slow thing. If he gets in range to do that hes ridiculous. If he cant then hes still where he was.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 20 2011 13:41 GMT
#497
On October 20 2011 22:39 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:38 Sabin010 wrote:
I think Riot should give Akali a "rework", like they did with Kayle and Alistar where they change her passive to do something better, like bonus damage to towers.


Bonus damage to towers...? On Akali...? Shes an assassin, not a pusher.


then she can assassinate the towers obv
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 20 2011 14:00 GMT
#498
On October 20 2011 22:41 Kyhron wrote:
Skarner is better then before, but only when he gets in range to spam his aoe slow thing. If he gets in range to do that hes ridiculous. If he cant then hes still where he was.

I don't really think the buff really affected his raw power level that much in terms of team-fight strength. 10% ASpd@18 and 0.25 seconds on his ultimate are not huge changes to that.

What the changes helped with are improving his flexibility in jungle (he no longer needs his blue buff to jungle effectively, which opens up a lot of stranger jungle starts, as well as allowing him to pass the 2nd blue buff to mid in the relevant matchups), and allowing him more flexible itemization (since he can maintain jungle speed without Wriggle's, it allows him to work into his core items sooner, especially since the Wriggle's stats aren't great for him).

With regard to that, I'm curious, what are people building on him? I saw Saint do Wriggles->HoG->Randuin/Triforce/QSS, but I feel like the Wriggle's and HoG aren't that great on him--he doesn't need Wriggle's to clear small camps effectively because of how Q mana is easier to handle now, and HoG just feels wasted because of how he has a strong shield skill (so HP is a somewhat less desirable survivability stat than resists), and since he doesn't scale out that well late-game (so investing in gp5 doesn't pay off huge returns). Rageblade seems like a no-brainer for him, given that he uses all the stats, and can guarantee entering any fight with 8 stacks and keeping them up indefinitely (Rageblade stacks last 4 seconds, and Q's base CD is 3.5). I was thinking of a core looking something like Cloth+5pot->Boots->Rageblade->Aegis->Triforce/GA/QSS in some order. Thoughts?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 14:12 GMT
#499
So I take it the new general consensus is that Graves is worth buying? Or do you think he'll get a nerf in the first few weeks?

Honestly, he looks like a lot of fun, but I'm always wary of buying new champs only for them to get nerfed right away because of general qq. Hasn't happened in a while, but yeah.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
October 20 2011 14:14 GMT
#500
On October 20 2011 23:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 22:41 Kyhron wrote:
Skarner is better then before, but only when he gets in range to spam his aoe slow thing. If he gets in range to do that hes ridiculous. If he cant then hes still where he was.

I don't really think the buff really affected his raw power level that much in terms of team-fight strength. 10% ASpd@18 and 0.25 seconds on his ultimate are not huge changes to that.

What the changes helped with are improving his flexibility in jungle (he no longer needs his blue buff to jungle effectively, which opens up a lot of stranger jungle starts, as well as allowing him to pass the 2nd blue buff to mid in the relevant matchups), and allowing him more flexible itemization (since he can maintain jungle speed without Wriggle's, it allows him to work into his core items sooner, especially since the Wriggle's stats aren't great for him).

With regard to that, I'm curious, what are people building on him? I saw Saint do Wriggles->HoG->Randuin/Triforce/QSS, but I feel like the Wriggle's and HoG aren't that great on him--he doesn't need Wriggle's to clear small camps effectively because of how Q mana is easier to handle now, and HoG just feels wasted because of how he has a strong shield skill (so HP is a somewhat less desirable survivability stat than resists), and since he doesn't scale out that well late-game (so investing in gp5 doesn't pay off huge returns). Rageblade seems like a no-brainer for him, given that he uses all the stats, and can guarantee entering any fight with 8 stacks and keeping them up indefinitely (Rageblade stacks last 4 seconds, and Q's base CD is 3.5). I was thinking of a core looking something like Cloth+5pot->Boots->Rageblade->Aegis->Triforce/GA/QSS in some order. Thoughts?

its not the attack speed or ult buff thats help its that they normalized his q and increased the damage
In terms of building him id get wriggles just for the passive + lifesteal to help with sustain slightly. Rageblade is definitely a great item on him same with gunblade. Your build seems pretty solid but to me skarner needs some sort of sustain for team fights to really be good. then again its my 2 cents
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