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[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 23

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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
October 20 2011 04:44 GMT
#441
As a recent MF-mainer, I am not fucking impressed finding-out what this new champ is all about.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 20 2011 04:46 GMT
#442
On October 20 2011 13:44 Cedstick wrote:
As a recent MF-mainer, I am not fucking impressed finding-out what this new champ is all about.

You mean how Graves pretty much makes MF obsolete?
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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
October 20 2011 04:47 GMT
#443
On October 20 2011 13:46 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 13:44 Cedstick wrote:
As a recent MF-mainer, I am not fucking impressed finding-out what this new champ is all about.

You mean how Graves pretty much makes MF obsolete?

Knock-knock...
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 04:55:56
October 20 2011 04:55 GMT
#444
I just versed a Graves mid as Kassadin, maybe because I haven't played in a while but he was dominating me early game (1 kill really early) and constant harassing me and my spells did hardly any damage to him but he had hardly any cs and I managed to destroy him later on (after killing/bullying their Karthus a few times), his damage also wasn't great late game. Might just have been a bad enemy though.

Also learnt something good: if you can't kill the dude in your lane, go kill someone you can (I used to only gank once my lane was dead or gone back)
LOUD NOISES!!!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 20 2011 04:56 GMT
#445
On October 20 2011 13:55 Lorken wrote:
I just versed a Graves mid as Kassadin, maybe because I haven't played in a while but he was dominating me early game (1 kill really early) and constant harassing me and my spells did hardly any damage to him but he had hardly any cs and I managed to destroy him later on (after killing/bullying their Karthus a few times), his damage also wasn't great late game. Might just have been a bad enemy though.

Also learnt something good: if you can't kill the dude in your lane, go kill someone you can.

Kassadin sucks against ranged AD. Grave scales pretty well, but like you said, the guy had bad cs so he was probably just terrible.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 20 2011 05:02 GMT
#446
On October 20 2011 13:46 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 13:44 Cedstick wrote:
As a recent MF-mainer, I am not fucking impressed finding-out what this new champ is all about.

You mean how Graves pretty much makes MF obsolete?


Caitlyn replaced MF months ago. Graves is super late to that party ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 20 2011 05:16 GMT
#447
On October 20 2011 12:54 Flakes wrote:
I was more surprised that dicksuckchan lasted as long as he did

in bed? dam thats hot
:)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 20 2011 05:17 GMT
#448
Mind out of the gutter uni, and back into the kpop thread.


IT ISNT MAN HAIR.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
October 20 2011 05:18 GMT
#449
The Skarner buffs are pretty nice. It feels like I have a lot more mana, the ult feels a lot longer, and the sustain is easier now with the change to E.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 20 2011 05:25 GMT
#450
On October 20 2011 13:55 Lorken wrote:
I just versed a Graves mid as Kassadin, maybe because I haven't played in a while but he was dominating me early game (1 kill really early) and constant harassing me and my spells did hardly any damage to him but he had hardly any cs and I managed to destroy him later on (after killing/bullying their Karthus a few times), his damage also wasn't great late game. Might just have been a bad enemy though.

Also learnt something good: if you can't kill the dude in your lane, go kill someone you can (I used to only gank once my lane was dead or gone back)


kassadin has been crushed by ranged ad since the beginning of time, so i wouldnt put too much thought into it
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
October 20 2011 05:26 GMT
#451
On October 20 2011 14:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
Mind out of the gutter uni, and back into the kpop thread.


IT ISNT MAN HAIR.


It's not manhair; I agree with 2downies
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
October 20 2011 05:27 GMT
#452
I thought MF was a decent ad carry and here I see so many people saying she's outclassed by almost all the other ad carries.

I regret spending that 6.3k IP on her now T.T
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
October 20 2011 05:29 GMT
#453
MF is good, people are dumb.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 05:37:46
October 20 2011 05:32 GMT
#454
Phantoml0rd streaming some Karthus. Really good stream so far. His lay wastes are perfect.
http://clgaming.net/live/4188-v8-phantoml0rd

edit: okay he's kind of annoying now, but still fun Karthus to watch.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 20 2011 05:50 GMT
#455
On October 20 2011 14:32 HazMat wrote:
Phantoml0rd streaming some Karthus. Really good stream so far. His lay wastes are perfect.
http://clgaming.net/live/4188-v8-phantoml0rd

edit: okay he's kind of annoying now, but still fun Karthus to watch.

phantoml0rd so proud of himself atm trolololo
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17241 Posts
October 20 2011 06:26 GMT
#456
On October 20 2011 14:26 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 14:17 Two_DoWn wrote:
Mind out of the gutter uni, and back into the kpop thread.


IT ISNT MAN HAIR.


It's not manhair; I agree with 2downies

It looks like Ezreal's hair.
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 06:57:58
October 20 2011 06:52 GMT
#457
On October 20 2011 14:27 Deltablazy wrote:
I thought MF was a decent ad carry and here I see so many people saying she's outclassed by almost all the other ad carries.

I regret spending that 6.3k IP on her now T.T


MF still has crazy good lane and out damages a lot of ranged AD during lane phase. I dunno if Graves out damages her early game or not but I do know that she out damages Vayne, Cait, and pretty much every other AD carry except for Ezreal maybe in the earlier levels.

Her problem is that duo bot exists. In a solo lane she's still really strong. Oh, and obviously she doesn't have as much range as some of the other ADs nor does she have the stun plus late game damage of someone like Vayne.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 20 2011 06:58 GMT
#458
On October 20 2011 14:27 Deltablazy wrote:
I thought MF was a decent ad carry and here I see so many people saying she's outclassed by almost all the other ad carries.

I regret spending that 6.3k IP on her now T.T


when the meta eventually makes its way back to AD solo lanes, MF will see a resurgence
she's very very strong in a solo because she has stats like a fucking tank with unbelievable early game damage output with 0 items
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 07:03:38
October 20 2011 07:01 GMT
#459
She'll get overbuffed before then.

I just discovered Elementz listed vlad as a tier 1 pick just one month ago. Not sure how that's possible.
twitch.tv/cratonz
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 20 2011 07:50 GMT
#460
Every time they've nerfed vlad's late game, they've buffed his early game considerably. You can trade hits aggressively early now... and you still have insane scaling, and can afk push silly hard.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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