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On October 07 2011 22:26 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:17 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 21:50 Sabin010 wrote:On October 07 2011 18:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 16:40 Treadmill wrote:
Can someone please explain the rationale behind building lifesteal (WotA) on fiddlesticks. I've seen it on every fiddle that isn't me. It just seems so completely pointless. Do an ult. Be immortal. Sounds good to me :p Why not just blast the Zhonya's active if they decide to comit to focusing you down or just chase if they don't while you're ulting. Drain pretty much makes you immortal already. You're already dead if they decide to focusing. The Zonhya has to be activated as soon as you're doing your usual CROW CROW CROW or you'll be CCd to death. Drain is very good for 1v1 and stalemate teamfights, but if it's dynamic and full of poking it's useless. And if you can drain after your ult they're doing something wrong. WotA definitly is very powerful because of the synergy with the ult, and if you're short on money after a back and already have a rabadon (read : you can't go for a Zonhya), going through the revolver to the WotA is a good choice. How would this theory apply to Morgana? Since her ult consists of two bursts, would WotA be worth taking as a desperation form of survivability over Zhonya's?
Morg can farm like crazy and is pretty tanky with her inbuilt spell vamp and shield. She rly doesn't need wota and doesn't build zyonha that early anyway, better to let your supports get it.
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On October 07 2011 22:26 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:17 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 21:50 Sabin010 wrote:On October 07 2011 18:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 16:40 Treadmill wrote:
Can someone please explain the rationale behind building lifesteal (WotA) on fiddlesticks. I've seen it on every fiddle that isn't me. It just seems so completely pointless. Do an ult. Be immortal. Sounds good to me :p Why not just blast the Zhonya's active if they decide to comit to focusing you down or just chase if they don't while you're ulting. Drain pretty much makes you immortal already. You're already dead if they decide to focusing. The Zonhya has to be activated as soon as you're doing your usual CROW CROW CROW or you'll be CCd to death. Drain is very good for 1v1 and stalemate teamfights, but if it's dynamic and full of poking it's useless. And if you can drain after your ult they're doing something wrong. WotA definitly is very powerful because of the synergy with the ult, and if you're short on money after a back and already have a rabadon (read : you can't go for a Zonhya), going through the revolver to the WotA is a good choice. How would this theory apply to Morgana? Since her ult consists of two bursts, would WotA be worth taking as a desperation form of survivability over Zhonya's?
I would say no, since she can make herself mostly immune to CC and Burst (Black Shield), is naturally beefy (because of her build), and already has tons of Spell Vamp (passive). Fiddles lacks all three of these things whereas Morganna can likely delay long enough to get the zhonyas without being super squishy.
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On October 07 2011 22:26 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:17 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 21:50 Sabin010 wrote:On October 07 2011 18:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 16:40 Treadmill wrote:
Can someone please explain the rationale behind building lifesteal (WotA) on fiddlesticks. I've seen it on every fiddle that isn't me. It just seems so completely pointless. Do an ult. Be immortal. Sounds good to me :p Why not just blast the Zhonya's active if they decide to comit to focusing you down or just chase if they don't while you're ulting. Drain pretty much makes you immortal already. You're already dead if they decide to focusing. The Zonhya has to be activated as soon as you're doing your usual CROW CROW CROW or you'll be CCd to death. Drain is very good for 1v1 and stalemate teamfights, but if it's dynamic and full of poking it's useless. And if you can drain after your ult they're doing something wrong. WotA definitly is very powerful because of the synergy with the ult, and if you're short on money after a back and already have a rabadon (read : you can't go for a Zonhya), going through the revolver to the WotA is a good choice. How would this theory apply to Morgana? Since her ult consists of two bursts, would WotA be worth taking as a desperation form of survivability over Zhonya's?
In my opinion, Zhonya's is more vital on Morg and that is for a plain reason:
Fiddle has a reliable hard CC. Unlike Morganas binding, Fiddle just needs to click the person he wants to disable and does so. This increases his chances to live throughout the duration of his own ult by a large margin. Morgana is much more reliant on just either surviving the burst people shoot at her during ult, or having Zhonyas.
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Play game with Jax and Akali, support (kayle) rushes WotA and Stark's Fervor, game ended shortly afterwards.
trolololol
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On October 07 2011 22:17 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 21:50 Sabin010 wrote:On October 07 2011 18:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 16:40 Treadmill wrote:
Can someone please explain the rationale behind building lifesteal (WotA) on fiddlesticks. I've seen it on every fiddle that isn't me. It just seems so completely pointless. Do an ult. Be immortal. Sounds good to me :p Why not just blast the Zhonya's active if they decide to comit to focusing you down or just chase if they don't while you're ulting. Drain pretty much makes you immortal already. You're already dead if they decide to focus you. The Zonhya has to be activated as soon as you're doing your usual CROW CROW CROW or you'll be CCd to death. Drain is very good for 1v1 and straight head-on teamfights, but if it's dynamic and full of poking it's useless. And if you can drain after your ult they're doing something wrong. WotA definitly is very powerful because of the synergy with the ult, and if you're short on money after a back and already have a rabadon (read : you can't go for a Zonhya atm), going through the revolver to the WotA is a good choice. Furthermore, you can always finish your Zonia before your WotA after your pentkaill, and the revolver by itself is already very good for the time being.
You know if a team fight breaks out by baron/dragon or anywhere there is no minions the crows are going to silence everybody on the enemy team and allow you to get a drain off. Secondly if the fight is in a lane around minions, and you can't get a team wide silence off. I'm assuming you have the reaction time to zhonya's before anything (other than an instant suppresstion) hits, but if they're playing guys with suppression you're going to be playing a much more conservative style with fiddle anyway. Basically a lot of cc has a particle that must hit you and when the particle is coming for you thats when you Zhonya's. It's similar to GP in the sense that if you remove scurvy a little early you will be immune to the cc while you're eating the oranges.
Edit: Lastly I can't see a spot where I would already have a hat, and spend the 1200 on the revolver when I could be buying the chain armour. If I can afford the whole wota why not just buy another needlessly large rod? Buying just one book isn't going to have much impact if you already have a hat, and it will just slow your zhonya's down. I might just buy a blue elixer and a few wards in that spot, but it depends upon the tempo of the game.
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1800. FUCK YEAH!
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On October 07 2011 22:49 EquilasH wrote:1800. FUCK YEAH!
so inflated lol, grats
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On October 07 2011 22:48 Sabin010 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:17 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 21:50 Sabin010 wrote:On October 07 2011 18:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On October 07 2011 16:40 Treadmill wrote:
Can someone please explain the rationale behind building lifesteal (WotA) on fiddlesticks. I've seen it on every fiddle that isn't me. It just seems so completely pointless. Do an ult. Be immortal. Sounds good to me :p Why not just blast the Zhonya's active if they decide to comit to focusing you down or just chase if they don't while you're ulting. Drain pretty much makes you immortal already. You're already dead if they decide to focus you. The Zonhya has to be activated as soon as you're doing your usual CROW CROW CROW or you'll be CCd to death. Drain is very good for 1v1 and straight head-on teamfights, but if it's dynamic and full of poking it's useless. And if you can drain after your ult they're doing something wrong. WotA definitly is very powerful because of the synergy with the ult, and if you're short on money after a back and already have a rabadon (read : you can't go for a Zonhya atm), going through the revolver to the WotA is a good choice. Furthermore, you can always finish your Zonia before your WotA after your pentkaill, and the revolver by itself is already very good for the time being. You know if a team fight breaks out by baron/dragon or anywhere there is no minions the crows are going to silence everybody on the enemy team and allow you to get a drain off. Secondly if the fight is in a lane around minions, and you can't get a team wide silence off. I'm assuming you have the reaction time to zhonya's before anything (other than an instant suppresstion) hits, but if they're playing guys with suppression you're going to be playing a much more conservative style with fiddle anyway. Basically a lot of cc has a particle that must hit you and when the particle is coming for you thats when you Zhonya's. It's similar to GP in the sense that if you remove scurvy a little early you will be immune to the cc while you're eating the oranges. Edit: Lastly I can't see a spot where I would already have a hat, and spend the 1200 on the revolver when I could be buying the chain armour. If I can afford the whole wota why not just buy another needlessly large rod? Buying just one book isn't going to have much impact if you already have a hat, and it will just slow your zhonya's down. I might just buy a blue elixer and a few wards in that spot, but it depends upon the tempo of the game.
Well I usually finish the game with Zonyha AND WotA if possible, both are obviously very good on fiddle. But when teamfights are about to come and I got between 800 and 1400g, I'd rather go for the revolver than armour and an elixir. I really think Zonhya and WotA have quite the same uses on Fiddle, and doing one or the other is really dependant of how the game goes.
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So yeah, the more I play other ranged AD, the more respect I get for how good Caitlyn is. Kog is squishy as fuck and nigh useless until he gets at least some build. Vayne basically has to be in melee range. Trist needs levels to start being effective with range and Q. I always kind of took Cait's laning for granted. I realized it was pretty much the best out of similar characters, but really didn't realize how hard it was to lane as any of the other ones.
Also, free week Riven means that when I queue (even when using a skin), people assume I'm bad. Lol triple kills and winning 1v2s.
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On October 07 2011 23:02 ChoBz wrote:so inflated lol, grats
If you're referring to the silver icon I didn't really play ranked in s1 (only in the start basically).
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No, he's referring to the 40 Elo per game inflated wins.
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Damnit, Renekton's ulti is seriously annoying haha. Can't kill him as Yi cus of his stun as well ~_~
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What the hell can irelia do vs amumu solo top? Got raped so hard its not even funny
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On October 07 2011 22:49 EquilasH wrote:1800. FUCK YEAH!
WOW gratz Equi.. top40 EUNE 
I didn't even have time to play a single game this week.. :/ How can I ever catch you then?
You'll have to carry my ass which is sitting on 7/1 for like 2 weeks now :-P
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He can't do anything to you unless you get near him, so just keep creeps between you and farm or call for a gank. Laning against most tanks is like that, you just keep them away and do your thing.
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Solo queue is so bipolar...Champ select starts with our captain afk and missing both bans and first pick (randoms as kayle). Comes back with 10 seconds before the game starts and announces he will be ad not support (Team is Kayle/Vayne bottom, Udyr in the jungle (me), Garen top, Brand mid). So the raging begins trying to convince him to go support or at least get cv for the team.
25 minutes later we're killing their nexus, haven't missed a single dragon (i.e. been sitting around dragon when he respawns for an immediate rekill) and have baroned twice, hadn't lost a single tower and were up on the enemy team by 15-18 kills.
Teams that listen are so rare, but holy shit are they potent against the unorganized. I had to double check to make sure I was still playing at 1250 elo.
Edit: This was a great way to break a 10 game losing streak
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On October 08 2011 00:01 STS17 wrote:
Solo queue is so bipolar...Champ select starts with our captain afk and missing both bans and first pick (randoms as kayle). Comes back with 10 seconds before the game starts and announces he will be ad not support (Team is Kayle/Vayne bottom, Udyr in the jungle (me), Garen top, Brand mid). So the raging begins trying to convince him to go support or at least get cv for the team.
25 minutes later we're killing their nexus, haven't missed a single dragon (i.e. been sitting around dragon when he respawns for an immediate rekill) and have baroned twice, hadn't lost a single tower and were up on the enemy team by 15-18 kills.
Teams that listen are so rare, but holy shit are they potent against the unorganized. I had to double check to make sure I was still playing at 1250 elo.
Edit: This was a great way to break a 10 game losing streak
Haha nice, great that you broke out of the lose streak 
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On October 07 2011 23:55 DrKlingmann wrote:WOW gratz Equi.. top40 EUNE I didn't even have time to play a single game this week.. :/ How can I ever catch you then? You'll have to carry my ass which is sitting on 7/1 for like 2 weeks now :-P
Haha, yea haven't seen you online for a while 
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Sober queue so much better than drunken queue. I've raised my Elo 500 points from season 1 and actually get team mates that have a basic understanding of the game.
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