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I can't really argue with the results of what happened, but I think there were too many possibilities you ignored as you went to your twin golems after you found your wraith jacked that would have been alarming, considering you had absolutely no idea at all where yi started which is very huge disadvantage.
You could have died to be honest, even if you are 00dyr, if Yi did your wraiths and then stole your red and was waiting to ambush you at level 2 with red buff and his passive up, that can be very dangerous; I think as soon as there is a distinct possibility of a jungler being in your jungle, you should be alarmed.
This is really not your fault since there are too many possibilities for you to consider alone and someone should have been guarding your wraiths to begin with vs jungle yi.
You claired his double golems and red after finding your jungle to be gone but I'm not sure that had the highest likelihood of finding him or yielding the most information, since his timing is very weird. If he was a bit slow after counter jungling you, he might have still be in the process of doing wraiths as your clairvoyance hit and you wouldn't have any information at all regarding where he was and would have to work with the possibility of him being still in your jungle.
Even with your clairvoyance you barely caught him going from wraiths to his twin golems. If he was maybe 5 seconds slower with the exact same route, you wouldn't have gotten any information at all.
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On October 07 2011 04:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Just like its a shitty outcome for their yi if anyone bothered to cv my jungle and stop him from jacking my shit. Counterjungling is risky. Thats why its a bad play during your first run.
Strictly speaking the risk is higher for you given that there are less conceivable places for them to CV for you at (their blue and your red--if you're not doing one, they know you're most likely doing the other), whereas the 1:30 CV is very likely to miss Yi entirely (and even if it catches him, he still has time to rotate to 1-2 other starts). Not to mention that it's also possible that they took your shit level 1 as a team before going to lanes (at which point it's them just forcing shit at level 1 and not Yi taking a gamble by himself)--though I assume your team's 1:30 CV ruled out that possibility.
I don't think your choice was wrong, just the riskier of the two options--a smart CV should be able to guarantee where you are at that point, but in solo queue it's very often reasonable to assume the enemy jungler/support aren't smart enough to make that deduction. I would have taken the safer choice of red->my wraiths->my minis, seeing as Yi is a very snowbally jungler that loses his edge in midgame fights if you don't give him a big edge early, and I think it's important to note that the safe defensive option was probably also correct in that scenario. But your gamble obviously happened to pay off.
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Navi, where are you? You promised a Riven guide D:
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I have a hard time getting a lot of kills on Xereth, usually just end up with a buttload of assists. Hmm
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On October 07 2011 04:46 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:24 UniversalSnip wrote:
list ults you consider more powerful/scary than amumu's ult, which is the gold standard. I'll start. - wukong ult - kennen ult Vlad, Cass, Noc.
I heard this girl in team speak scream like she was about to get murdered when noc went darkness the day he was released.
Sona, Galileo, Fiddle, Karthus.
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On October 07 2011 04:58 Slaughter wrote:
I have a hard time getting a lot of kills on Xereth, usually just end up with a buttload of assists. Hmm
He's a lot like Brand. You run up, bust out your combo for as much damage as you can, and then do nothing until cooldowns are back up. Either you wait for them to be low enough to die to your combo, or you hit them hard and your team finishes them off. Standard caster shit.
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On October 07 2011 04:58 Sabin010 wrote:
Sona, Galileo, Fiddle, Karthus.
heliocentrism ult too OP
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Xerath has an easier to land eqr and can also siege a turret much more easily. Can also trigger w for second salvo to deal with people having started to run.
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On October 07 2011 04:58 Sabin010 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:46 Shiv. wrote:On October 07 2011 04:24 UniversalSnip wrote:
list ults you consider more powerful/scary than amumu's ult, which is the gold standard. I'll start. - wukong ult - kennen ult Vlad, Cass, Noc. I heard this girl in team speak scream like she was about to get murdered when noc went darkness the day he was released. Sona, Galileo, Fiddle, Karthus.
mordekaiser
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On October 07 2011 05:06 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:58 Sabin010 wrote:On October 07 2011 04:46 Shiv. wrote:On October 07 2011 04:24 UniversalSnip wrote:
list ults you consider more powerful/scary than amumu's ult, which is the gold standard. I'll start. - wukong ult - kennen ult Vlad, Cass, Noc. I heard this girl in team speak scream like she was about to get murdered when noc went darkness the day he was released. Sona, Galileo, Fiddle, Karthus. mordekaiser
That depends whether I'm the AD carry or some random pubbie who is about to focus the enemy carry. :S
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Archon feels useless without blue, your E and Q don't scale too hard and have such a long cd without blue. You have like nothing to do.
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Wow that jungle thing got way too much attention.
Also, a scary ult is Viegar's if you're an AP champ imo. Totally rapes you. Cho Gath's makes him scary 
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On October 07 2011 04:52 Zenithal wrote:
Navi, where are you? You promised a Riven guide D:
only 1 person seemed interested
now its a whopping 2 hue
i work on eet
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Id rank ashe above mummy as well.
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On October 07 2011 05:12 Lorken wrote:Wow that jungle thing got way too much attention. Also, a scary ult is Viegar's if you're an AP champ imo. Totally rapes you. Cho Gath's makes him scary
I like reading discussions like that in the general thread. Gives some insight to higher levels of play
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On October 07 2011 05:05 Craton wrote:
Xerath has an easier to land eqr and can also siege a turret much more easily. Can also trigger w for second salvo to deal with people having started to run.
Yeah, I feel the same. Brand with easier combo, more range, but a bit less damage. I don't have numbers, but I never felt like he hit as hard during my games as compared to Brand.
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Caitlyn's ult is pretty bad ass. Poppy's ult lets her 5v1 pretty efficiently. Leona has a bad ass ultimate, GP ult is pretty good too.
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On October 07 2011 05:13 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:52 Zenithal wrote:
Navi, where are you? You promised a Riven guide D: only 1 person seemed interested now its a whopping 2 hue i work on eet
Yay! Next time you ask a question, I'll pipe up. I'd like a centralized place to crunch Riven numbers rather than poking around in General Chat.
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On October 07 2011 05:16 Sabin010 wrote:
Caitlyn's ult is pretty bad ass. Poppy's ult lets her 5v1 pretty efficiently. Leona has a bad ass ultimate, GP ult is pretty good too.
As a Cait player, I have to call hers a bit underwhelming. It hits pretty hard and has big range, but is a bit too likely to get blocked/wasted imo.
Poppy's is bullshit if I'm fighting her. Great if she's a teammate 
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Sion, Xerath combo... what a nightmare....
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