EPT[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 31
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:00 TheYango wrote: Wait, so you can finish blue fast enough, when the enemy knows you're going there when you pass their J-brush or blue ramp ward (which is a good 5-10 seconds before you even get to START the camp), that "the path from mid is way too long to get there in time"? Let me know what Udyr setup you're running that you finish blue in 2 seconds at level 2. Ok. What the fuck are you talking about. Purple side means that enemy blue is on top. NO FUCKING TOP LANES COME TO A LANE AT LEVEL 1 WITH A WARD. I have vision on their entire enemy team. They have no vision on me. Remember, I CAN FUCKING SEE IF THEY CV ME. Holy shit Yango, I honestly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:06 Two_DoWn wrote: Ok. What the fuck are you talking about. Purple side means that enemy blue is on top. NO FUCKING TOP LANES COME TO A LANE AT LEVEL 1 WITH A WARD. I have vision on their entire enemy team. They have no vision on me. Remember, I CAN FUCKING SEE IF THEY CV ME. Holy shit Yango, I honestly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. You've never as a support used one of your level 1 wards to cover one of your team's blue entrances, even when it's top side? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Well I mean, they did clair Yi at twin golems but presumebly the reason he couldn't just start red immediately after finding his jungle jacked is because he needed to cv to find yi first. At least reading from the post that was the thought process. But reading again I think T_D was just expecting red to execute him >.> ---- Imo, the correct play here would be to cv immediately after you saw your wraiths were taken. Presumebly if your wraiths were gone, then Yi jacked them at the very start. That leaves him with the following follow-ups. - doing your twin gols after wraith (or before) - doing his wolves and then his wraith afterwards - doing his blue with a leash. A cv right after you found your wraith missing at his blue/wolves would yield the most information imo. If his wolves were gone, then he's going to be in his red side jungle doing wraiths and twin gols. If his blue was gone that means he took your wraith and then his own blue with a leash. (In fact depending on the timing for when mid shows up to lane it can give you an idea of whether there was a leash for blue. If mid doesn't leash for blue they'll often arrive to lane slightly earlier than expected. ) If both his blue and wolves were both up or that he was in the early process of doing them then that means he took your twin golems and you wouldn't even need to check to know this. I have no idea if Yi's ever do their own wolves and then steal enemy wraiths -> enemy gols, but he'd have to luck out pretty hard with alpha strikes to pull this off. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:41 Two_DoWn wrote: Im pretty sure the best counter to singed is just to throw constant cc at him while you kill off the rest of his team. As a Singed player, I'd almost consider that a win. If I'm eating the enemy CC (and not taking as much time thanks to Merc's and Ult), then my team isn't getting CC'd and can do their thing. I'd rather not be stunned/slow/whatever, but if someone on my team needs to take it, I'd rather it be me if I'm the tank. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote: You've never as a support used one of your level 1 wards to cover one of your team's blue entrances, even when it's top side? No. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:24 UniversalSnip wrote: list ults you consider more powerful/scary than amumu's ult, which is the gold standard. I'll start. - wukong ult - kennen ult Galio ult. Probably Morg ult if she's in melee? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
the point of cv is to use it on places where you suspect somebody is so why not just tell them "i think the guy is here" and take something more useful, like revive | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:23 zulu_nation8 wrote: what does it mean that mid lane is too far from his own blue to come and kill you? Assuming you're purple/top side, if Yi somehow wraithjacked you and then took your twin it is entirely possible that he backed and went to his own wolves or went to his wolves directly. Doing his blue at lv2 makes zero sense not only for the reason that their top and mid will collapse on you and kill you instantly if they find out, but that you have absolutely NO idea where their yi is and my first guess would be that he's at his own wolves. I don't know how you can get wolves and twins stolen without any idea. You don't counterjungle when you get your shit stolen, the enemy jungler knows your path, and you have no idea where the enemy jungler is, that's usually how you die. That possibility was right out because they got a CV that found Yi at enemy minis, so they knew where he was. From that point, the two options were gamble on enemy blue or safely take his own red, then go to wraiths and minis cuz they'd be up again. It's take a risk and be slightly ahead (or way behind if you get caught) vs. take the safe route and be slightly behind. I'd personally play it safe because of how snowbally Yi is, but Two_Down's decision isn't straight up wrong--just a bit more risky. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:23 zulu_nation8 wrote: what does it mean that mid lane is too far from his own blue to come and kill you? Assuming you're purple/top side, if Yi somehow wraithjacked you and then took your twin it is entirely possible that he backed and went to his own wolves or went to his wolves directly. Doing his blue at lv2 makes zero sense not only for the reason that their top and mid will collapse on you and kill you instantly if they find out, but that you have absolutely NO idea where their yi is and my first guess would be that he's at his own wolves. I don't know how you can get wolves and twins stolen without any idea. You don't counterjungle when you get your shit stolen, the enemy jungler knows your path, and you have no idea where the enemy jungler is, that's usually how you die. Only I knew he was bot because I cvd him. And I knew, since he was level 3 after taking my minigols and wraiths, and he was walking from his wraiths to his minigols, that he dinged 3 off of his wraiths. So even if he does gols and goes straight to his blue, I have enough time to grab it and get out. And the reason mid is too far away is that if I SEE mid leave, I can get out before he comes to kill me. The only real risk there is if they cv me, their top reacts, and mine doesnt. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:25 Caller wrote: i still don't understand the point of cv the point of cv is to use it on places where you suspect somebody is so why not just tell them "i think the guy is here" and take something more useful, like revive But when taric takes it and goes, "hey look vayne i just cv'd the bot lane bush and stuned this dude in it. Why don't you shoot him and stun him against the wall as the first stun wears off." Edit: Revive is only useful when you're dead. Dying makes you lose stacks on your mejai's. CV can be used to never have to face check a bush, and keeps you from losing stacks on your mejia's. So CV is more useful than than revive when you're building mejai's which should be every game imo. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:27 Two_DoWn wrote: And the reason mid is too far away is that if I SEE mid leave, I can get out before he comes to kill me. The only real risk there is if they cv me, their top reacts, and mine doesnt. I mean, if you have to ditch their blue, that's still a shitty outcome even if you live just based on the wasted time. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On October 07 2011 02:11 r.Evo wrote: Here's my advice: Ignore everyone who tells you not to play ranked when you hit lvl 30. Will you suck? Yes. Will you end around 1200-1300 elo? Yes. Will you improve your game quicker than anyone who plays 500 normals before heading into ranked? Yes. Will you end like those pussies who claim to be pro but never play ranked? Nope. I used to learn new champs all the time when I dumped around from 1300-1500 in ranked, mostly cause normals just suck donkey balls for anything "real". Just learn those new roles in ranked and learn to not give a fuck. Dunno if this is entirely true, I almost exclusively played normals just for fun with friends etc. for a very long time (except for the start of season 1, I played some ranked at that point), and in season 2 I decided to try out ranked some more, I'm currently placed top 100 on EUNE with 1760 rating. What you said might be true for most people, but you can have a lot of fun in normals if you just play with RL friends while talking on Skype, and you can definitely learn from this as well. Edit: You will probably learn faster from ranked, but normals are a viable and relaxing way to learn. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:31 TheYango wrote: I mean, if you have to ditch their blue, that's still a shitty outcome even if you live just based on the wasted time. Just like its a shitty outcome for their yi if anyone bothered to cv my jungle and stop him from jacking my shit. Counterjungling is risky. Thats why its a bad play during your first run. But then again, even if I have to back, the distance from mid to blue is far from negligible, and thats cs and exp that my mid gains as an advantage over their mid. And for most mid champs who gain a burst ultimate, a faster level 6 can spell the difference between an even game and a level 6 kill and lane stomp. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On October 07 2011 04:24 UniversalSnip wrote: list ults you consider more powerful/scary than amumu's ult, which is the gold standard. I'll start. - wukong ult - kennen ult Vlad, Cass, Noc. | ||
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