[Patch 1.0.0.126: Xerath] General Discussion - Page 30

On October 07 2011 03:31 Nytefish wrote:
It seems like singed is a popular pick at my elo. I usually get teemo to dominate him in lane but often that leaves our team with nothing tanky and that can often make the team rage. What else is good against singed, galio?

On October 07 2011 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
The best way to learn to counterjungle is to get counterjungled yourself. This anecdote is straight out of a ranked game yesterday: I was phoenix udyr, going against a jungle yi. My standard path is wolves, blue, wraiths, red, gols. Depending on the enemy jungle, I will run a wraith jack after blue simply because I know that a wolf first start will make me faster than my opponent, and pheonix udyr clears wraiths really quickly, quickly enough to get out before the enemy knows I am there. Against Yi however, I will not do that simply because I know most jungle yis tend to do the fast 6 route, and take their wraiths before I can get there. So instead I did my standard wolves- blue, only to find that yi had taken my wraiths. So my next thought was to go to gols, since I know that I only need 3 to do red, regardless of where I get it. However, Yi jacked my gols too. Rather than get ticked at yi, my first thought was how to continue my route. I was full health and level 2, and unable to do red. So I had my support cv enemy red/gols. The thought here is simple. If I see him on that side, I can run to blue and take that. If gols are still up, I know he went to blue after jacking my jungle and I can go take his side of the jungle. In reality, I saw him going from his wraiths to the small gols, level 3, no blue. That tells me he has done my wriaths, my gols, and his wriaths. Since he was going to small gols, I simply went over and jacked his blue, then went back and did my wraiths and gols, backed, got red, and ganked top for a kill. Essentially, he traded ~ a minute off of my level 3 for his blue, at which point I was able to get a faster level 4 simply because I had all of my jungle up at once, which allowed me to gank at level 5 instead of 4.

^That is the sort of knowledge and decision making you want to have when attempting to counterjungle. Yi tried it, and I punished him for it.

On October 07 2011 03:40 TheYango wrote:

This makes no sense--Red and Blue are equally difficult as camps. How are you "unable to do red" but capable of doing his Blue?

On October 07 2011 03:40 TheYango wrote:

This makes no sense--Red and Blue are equally difficult as camps. How are you "unable to do red" but capable of doing his Blue?

On October 07 2011 03:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blue is way easier, does much less damage and has less HP.

On October 07 2011 03:40 TheYango wrote:

This makes no sense--Red and Blue are equally difficult as camps. How are you "unable to do red" but capable of doing his Blue?

On October 07 2011 03:44 mr_tolkien wrote:

Blue is way easier, does much less damage and has less HP.

On October 07 2011 03:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
It's entirely possible to do red at level 2 with a full health blue buff udyr even without smite, but highly risky if you don't know where Yi is, as it's entirely possible for him to still be sticking around your top jungle since the natural instinct of people would be to do red if your gols and wraiths were jacked.

On October 07 2011 03:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
It's entirely possible to do red at level 2 with a full health blue buff udyr even without smite, but highly risky if you don't know where Yi is, as it's entirely possible for him to still be sticking around your top jungle since the natural instinct of people would be to do red if your gols and wraiths were jacked.

On October 07 2011 03:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
Huh, I always assumed red was tougher than blue. Talk about caller's kruger effect, but my decision was correct because taking his blue grants a bigger net benefit (fresh blue for me, no blue for yi, exp for me) than grabbing red and having to back.

On October 07 2011 03:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
It's entirely possible to do red at level 2 with a full health blue buff udyr even without smite, but highly risky if you don't know where Yi is, as it's entirely possible for him to still be sticking around your top jungle since the natural instinct of people would be to do red if your gols and wraiths were jacked.

On October 07 2011 03:53 TheYango wrote:

Your decision was risky given that his blue would be one of the few sensible places for their support to use a CV for at that point, and that you pass several defensive level 1 ward spots getting there. You got lucky that neither was the case.

On October 07 2011 03:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im pretty sure the best counter to singed is just to throw constant cc at him while you kill off the rest of his team.

On October 07 2011 03:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
I was purple side, so the only person who would have been able to come was top lane, and a 2v1 at low levels is pretty much a guaranteed win. Yi was on the other side of the map, so there was no chance of him coming, and the path from mid is way to long to get there in time.

So no, not lucky.

On October 07 2011 03:35 Brees wrote:
nothing tanky is really good against singed, thats what he wants since he outputs one of the highest dps as a tank. If they pick singed you want your tank to come from the jungle. High burst counters singed so all i can think of is renekton.