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[Patch 1.0.0.125: Riven] General Discussion - Page 81

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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 20 2011 15:09 GMT
#1601
Wukong isn't that bad really. He's got the kit to be a viable tanky dps his laning is a bit weak top (he's fine bot lane though) but lategame he's one of the few bruisers that can legitimately threaten over fed AD carries because his ultimate is a garen spin with knockup but at the same time he has a gap close and a get away so he can get away with it.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
September 20 2011 15:10 GMT
#1602
Except he can't farm, because he has 0 (zero!) sustain skills. This means he cannot top lane, he struggles jungle, and he can kinda sorta bot if bot weren't infested with supports and ranged AD and AP carries. Whoops.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 20 2011 15:16 GMT
#1603
On September 21 2011 00:10 Southlight wrote:
Except he can't farm, because he has 0 (zero!) sustain skills. This means he cannot top lane, he struggles jungle, and he can kinda sorta bot if bot weren't infested with supports and ranged AD and AP carries. Whoops.

utah, come on man, aren't you always talking about how stupid it is that people don't try more shit out in bot lane?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
September 20 2011 15:17 GMT
#1604
Yea but Wukong has no tools for bot lane, lol. Have seen it attempted, it's not pretty >_< No disables, no sustain, terrible burst, like the only thing you can do is Soraka him or something but that's mostly riding the OP-ness of a certain support hero.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 20 2011 15:25 GMT
#1605
Yeah Wukong works, but he's almost the most generic of any role he fills. And his kit is just dull. A generic on next hit. A generic dash with a slight AoE. A generic AoE ult with a semi-nifty (but kinda meh) knockup. The only interesting thing about him is his stealth, and that's kind of iffy as far as usefulness goes. Don't get me wrong, he can be useful, but when you can get the same role and better everything from Jax (except maybe AoE) or someone like Irelia, Wukong kinda falls flat.

The difference with Riven is that her toolset is completely different and interesting, while playing differently. Wukong just plays like everyone else. IMO he's viable and useful, but other people bring what he brings and more, and better.
It's your boy Guzma!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 20 2011 15:25 GMT
#1606
On September 21 2011 00:17 Southlight wrote:
Yea but Wukong has no tools for bot lane, lol. Have seen it attempted, it's not pretty >_< No disables, no sustain, terrible burst, like the only thing you can do is Soraka him or something but that's mostly riding the OP-ness of a certain support hero.

I did a Janna-wukong lane, it worked well enough.
In the woods, there lurks..
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 15:31:26
September 20 2011 15:26 GMT
#1607
Well, Wukong is more-or-less Irelia done "right," except that because he was done "right" he's balance-wise pretty terrible, lol.

Edit:
By which I mean he's really fun to play IMO, with his ridiculous CD dash, but his early-game is soooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Edit2:
You know a hero has sustain issues when you get Wriggles and he cannot maintain HP in jungle.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 20 2011 15:37 GMT
#1608
On September 21 2011 00:25 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 00:17 Southlight wrote:
Yea but Wukong has no tools for bot lane, lol. Have seen it attempted, it's not pretty >_< No disables, no sustain, terrible burst, like the only thing you can do is Soraka him or something but that's mostly riding the OP-ness of a certain support hero.

I did a Janna-wukong lane, it worked well enough.

That probably had more to do with Janna being Janna.
It's your boy Guzma!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
September 20 2011 15:43 GMT
#1609
http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=3868352#post3868352

They are keeping normal drafts
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 20 2011 15:51 GMT
#1610
On September 21 2011 00:43 Juicyfruit wrote:
http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=3868352#post3868352

They are keeping normal drafts


Nice

Btw, is there any quality LoL forum other that this subforum of TL?

I took a look at the Solomid/CLG/Mobafire/Leaguecraft forums and they looked pretty trash compared to TL :/

And the official forums are just another Battle.net forums clone :<

Once you get used to TL-quality it's hard to go back...
Romanes eunt domus
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 20 2011 15:55 GMT
#1611
On September 21 2011 00:51 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 00:43 Juicyfruit wrote:
http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=3868352#post3868352

They are keeping normal drafts


Nice

Btw, is there any quality LoL forum other that this subforum of TL?

I took a look at the Solomid/CLG/Mobafire/Leaguecraft forums and they looked pretty trash compared to TL :/

And the official forums are just another Battle.net forums clone :<

Once you get used to TL-quality it's hard to go back...


I just read red posts via one of the million trackers. It's a nice way to sift through the garbage on the general forums
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 16:00:51
September 20 2011 15:59 GMT
#1612
On September 21 2011 00:25 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 00:17 Southlight wrote:
Yea but Wukong has no tools for bot lane, lol. Have seen it attempted, it's not pretty >_< No disables, no sustain, terrible burst, like the only thing you can do is Soraka him or something but that's mostly riding the OP-ness of a certain support hero.

I did a Janna-wukong lane, it worked well enough.


Yeah janna wukong is super good raped a kog maw taric lane.

Wukong has gap closer and escape for when they try to kite you back to tower, that whole thing with the ranged ad running into tower then chasing you to half all the way down is brutal and only ppl who can avoid it is viable as melee bot lane really. (Jax, Wukong, Lee sin)
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 20 2011 16:19 GMT
#1613
On September 21 2011 00:02 Southlight wrote:
But see, with Skarner and Wukong the issue is mostly a matter of terrible hero design (they're nothing new), and with Yorick they tried to do something gimmicky but ended up having a batshit retarded hero to balance.

...


Skarner isn't anything new but I think he's a lot of fun. I'm waiting for Riot to cave and make the stat boosts from his W stick around after it breaks, like Janna's shield.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
September 20 2011 16:20 GMT
#1614
Wukong needs a remake IMO. As bad or good as he is, he is just boring and unoriginal. They should remake his entire kit to do his lore justice.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11766 Posts
September 20 2011 16:26 GMT
#1615
I'm not sure he was designed with it in mind but I found his jump at them until they die mechanic rather fun. Is why I spent so much effort trying to make him work, but he just simply colossally fails at jungle.
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
September 20 2011 16:28 GMT
#1616
I played a game where we had maokai wukong bottem lane and we won. Just get the minion advantage and engage then b when you see the jungler show up on the ward.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 16:56:29
September 20 2011 16:40 GMT
#1617
WAT?

I really wonder about this wukong debate. He is strong imo. His laneing top isnt the best but its certainly not terrible compared to other weak laners like nasus, singed and an early game irelia. He doesnt scale as good as them into lategame if you just look at his raw duelist power. BUT he is exceptional in teambattles compared to most bruisers which is strange to seasoned bruiser/tank players because they are used to be strong in skirmish and weaker in 5on5 clashes. No sustain is an issue he has which can be solved by wriggles/philo and his harrass game is pretty strong against melee champs since he can force you to dive into his minions with his decoy. He is a strong solo pusher too because he wrecks waves with his AoE and turrets with his armor debuff (which is pretty huge no?) and at the same time teambattles are not as awkward with him as with most other tanks. Besides the insane aoe damage he provides he can fill different tactical roles depending on the situation. With his strong armor debuff he can help your carry to wreck that tank (LW from his carry+his Q is about 70%?!?) and his his damage and mobility is enough to chase their carry away if he is fine on his farm.

I also dont find him boring, he is actually quite unique in his role and power.

On September 21 2011 01:26 Southlight wrote:
I'm not sure he was designed with it in mind but I found his jump at them until they die mechanic rather fun. Is why I spent so much effort trying to make him work, but he just simply colossally fails at jungle.


I from the other posts you made I think you are addressing his weak laneing with this? I find his pokes actually quite strong. preferably Hit->Q->E->W or E->Hit->Q->W if you have to. When your wave is pushing you can often autohit a few times to make his AS buff work before you W. Iam pretty sure you do this though. What is your general approach to him? I feel that he really has to do everything to get wriggles/philo ASAP. I'am very curious about your experience with him and what you can say about matchups etc. I just love this champs kit, dunno mb iam biased...
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
September 20 2011 16:48 GMT
#1618
Why is NA server still unavailable arghhh
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
September 20 2011 16:51 GMT
#1619
Don't really understand if your post is trying to say that wukong is strong or not. Within your own post you give reasons why wukong shouldn't be picked by stating Nasus and you are correct in that statement that if you are going to put a weak laner top you mine as well put one that will be scale really well like Nasus or Jax and not bother with Wukong.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
September 20 2011 16:58 GMT
#1620
On September 21 2011 01:51 mrgerry wrote:
Don't really understand if your post is trying to say that wukong is strong or not. Within your own post you give reasons why wukong shouldn't be picked by stating Nasus and you are correct in that statement that if you are going to put a weak laner top you mine as well put one that will be scale really well like Nasus or Jax and not bother with Wukong.


And then I say that wukong is a fast pusher and that he is exceptionally stong in 5on5 battles where other bruisers dont shine as much.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
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